Chat History with basekamp/$fc277444798a9e1f" title="#basekamp/$fc277444798a9e1f">Freenode (#basekamp/$fc277444798a9e1f)

Created on 2010-04-06 21:16:55.


alemcj" title="salemcj">salem collo-julin: 18:24:34
smiley  smiley
scottrigby: 18:24:51
hello again
scottrigby: 18:24:57
so is everyone on a call?
BASEKAMP team: 18:25:10
not everyone
Laura Trippi: 18:25:12
no, i'm not
scottrigby: 18:25:15
greg are you hosting?
BASEKAMP team: 18:25:32
yep r we ready
Meg Frisch: 18:25:58
is ready!!
stephen wright: 18:26:51
can you tell everyone how to hook into IRC -- or is that going to be to complicated?
Laura Trippi: 18:27:48
scottrigby: 18:27:48
hi stephen, i was going to - but we seem to have started out with a short disconnect, and i didn't want to fragement that further until we at least hook up by audio
scottrigby: 18:28:03
however -
stephen wright: 18:28:10
stephen wright: 18:28:21
is audio about ready?
scottrigby: 18:28:23
here's how to get into IRC for anyone who wants to!
scottrigby: 18:29:06
for those of you without an IRC client (not necessary!) you can se your web browser - the link above also links to an embedded webchat here:
BASEKAMP team: 18:30:06
Ok everyone ready!?!
scottrigby: 18:30:26
yes, jonathen is here now & ready
Jonathan Simpson: 18:30:31
I'm here.
Jonathan Simpson: 18:30:39
Sorry I think I hung up while you were still talking scott
BASEKAMP team: 18:31:33
stephen wright: 18:31:37
We're on
BASEKAMP team: 18:31:59
If anyone drops off or wasn't included in the original call please let us know.
BASEKAMP team: 18:33:05
I'm wearing a tux
alemcj" title="salemcj">salem collo-julin: 18:34:07
Laura Trippi: 18:34:09
sounds good
eanstoops" title="seanstoops">Sean Stoops: 18:34:13
BASEKAMP team: 18:34:13
sounds good
BASEKAMP team: 18:34:17
alemcj" title="salemcj">salem collo-julin: 18:34:26
ni-hao kai lan!
BASEKAMP team: 18:34:31
BASEKAMP team: 18:34:54
what's gonna work? team work!
BASEKAMP team: 18:37:17
freenode creates space?
BASEKAMP team: 18:37:33
I like that idea.
BASEKAMP team: 18:38:40
Freenode philosophy:
Laura Trippi: 18:38:43
it's great
BASEKAMP team: 18:39:15
"Licensing which preserves freedom is essential to the health and success of peer-directed projects. "
scottrigby: 18:41:52
jesse is here btw, right? smiley
stephen wright: 18:42:25
BASEKAMP team: 18:42:58
I presume this is far different than a Meritocracy?
scottrigby: 18:46:57
BTW, we muted our audio here - sorry guys
BASEKAMP team: 18:47:01
coming on the heels of last weeks discussion which addressed "paid usership", I am curious, do you get paid for what you do? If so by whom? How is Freenode supported?
Laura Trippi: 18:47:07
scottrigby: 18:48:56
Also, everyone - as always - feel free to chime in to the audio, and / or post questions here  smiley
Meg Frisch: 18:49:49
hey - I got off the call smiley
Meg Frisch: 18:50:10
smiley app fail
Meg Frisch: 18:50:54
thanks smiley
BASEKAMP team: 18:51:12
stephen wright: 18:52:46
"IRC is a communications mechanism or protocol, that's been around since the begnning of the internet. freenode is one of the largest: it's intent is not for general purpose chat, but about letting groups get together and cross pollinate in a way they might never be able to if left to their own communications networks." So how does someone go about cross pollinating and with whom? Is there an index or a directory of whose on freenode (given that there's 60,000 I guess there must be, since no one could cross-pollinate on that scale). I mean, how does plausible artworlds cross pollinate with channel 9,999?
Jonathan Simpson: 18:53:02
Jonathan Simpson: 18:54:09
BASEKAMP team: 18:54:34
great thx
BASEKAMP team: 18:57:29
hello sir/madam I am calling because...
scottrigby: 18:57:41
scottrigby: 18:58:03
"if you spend time, it just sort of happens"
BASEKAMP team: 18:58:22
I've not spent a lot of time on freenode but it does seem like a place to just play, experiment, check in, check out, lurk.
scottrigby: 18:59:00
greg - where is atrowbri & jessicawestbrook?
scottrigby: 18:59:07
thinks they may be driving...
BASEKAMP team: 19:00:20
hmm not sure.
Laura Trippi: 19:00:21
(Sorry, I have to leave for a meeting. But I'm keeping the chat open so I can track what went on. Sort of. smiley Thanks, all!!)
scottrigby: 19:00:33
Laura - great to have you smiley
scottrigby: 19:00:41
scottrigby: 19:00:45
see you next week!
BASEKAMP team: 19:00:50
"Web 0.0" love it
Laura Trippi: 19:01:02
yes, great stuff here! thanx.
BASEKAMP team: 19:01:06
I think that is the spirit of the project, I agree
michael g bauer: 19:06:06
yes how does open source contribute to the social milieu/cultural trends at large?
scottrigby: 19:07:12
yeah, skype isn't open at all really
scottrigby: 19:07:16
it's just "free"
scottrigby: 19:07:28
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stephen wright: 19:07:33
can you "critique" skype a bit
BASEKAMP team: 19:07:55
does it "contribute" or allow for such things to take place?
BASEKAMP team: 19:08:12
seems more the later
stephen wright: 19:10:54
Jonathan, when do you use skype -- and for what? It's not a personal question, obviously, but a slightly coy way of asking you to critique skype (cause I'm not sure we really know what's wrong with skype) and to compare and contrast it with freenode and IRC.
scottrigby: 19:10:56
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BASEKAMP team: 19:13:48
A geeknic?
BASEKAMP team: 19:14:37
any outdoor eating event w/ Scott Rigby is a "geeknic" imo  smiley
scottrigby: 19:14:38
and we'll get back to teh question about skype for sure -- i jsut found myself talking before i saw the questions -- and i'm very intrested in this too stephen!
scottrigby: 19:15:09
thanks  smiley
scottrigby: 19:15:43
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stephen wright: 19:15:53
BASEKAMP team: 19:16:02
stephen wright: 19:17:53
exactly; I would say that that's what makes it a "plausible world" -- and not just a machine
scottrigby: 19:18:35
a giant network of makers  smiley  smiley  smiley
BASEKAMP team: 19:20:01
funny though, IRC is often viewed as uncool, at least with my cool hip students
scottrigby: 19:20:10
our role is often ... partly theorizing, and partly prototyping... ideas about other kinds of culture - small or large moments in a world we either want to see, or are frustrated that we see
scottrigby: 19:20:50
Technically speaking -- maybe DimDim?
scottrigby: 19:21:29
for audio?  smiley  smiley  smiley
Meg Frisch: 19:21:57
i'm hre!
Meg Frisch: 19:22:02
Meg Frisch: 19:22:06
Meg Frisch: 19:22:17
BASEKAMP team: 19:23:53
are threre open source alternatives to Skype?
BASEKAMP team: 19:24:58
scottrigby: 19:25:06
scottrigby: 19:25:27
oh yeah --- flooding, bouncing, right?
BASEKAMP team: 19:25:45
scottrigby: 19:25:59
BASEKAMP team: 19:26:13
scottrigby ++
scottrigby: 19:26:32
not yet!
scottrigby: 19:26:43
greggles  smiley
BASEKAMP team: 19:29:23
BASEKAMP team: 19:29:38
BASEKAMP team: 19:30:21
scott mentioned that
scottrigby: 19:30:38
stephen wright: 19:31:23
More than anything else, I am fascinated by freenode's philosophy. The idea, it seems, that a community can be built not by (after) the solving of problems but by the raising of problems/ questions. It's a very American idea. John Dewey wrote a fascinating book called "The Public and its Problems", arguing (on the basis of the early American townships experience) that there is no such thing as a "public" that then encounters some problems. It is through the articulation of problems, the experience of encountering problems and sharing them with others that a "public" emerges. A public is the generic sense -- a society, a community, what have you. And when that problem raising becomes self-conscious then you have a genuine, self-conscious public community. Sounds a bit like freenode, no?
scottrigby: 19:31:46
scottrigby: 19:32:03
BASEKAMP team: 19:32:14
sounds great!
scottrigby: 19:32:16
we are thinking about how we can do something with / for FOSSCON
scottrigby: 19:32:58
smiley  smiley  smiley
Jonathan Simpson: 19:33:20
Jonathan Simpson: 19:33:28
sponsors page
scottrigby: 19:36:11
these sponsors are great - and i dont usually say that -- GNU, Linux, Redhat, Ubuntu, FreeBSD - these are organizations that are on a certain side of the software wars
Jonathan Simpson: 19:40:51
scottrigby: 19:41:00
message of the day
BASEKAMP team: 19:43:06
375: - Message of the Day -
372: - Welcome to in Norway, EU!  Thanks to
372: - SSC Networks ( for sponsoring this server!
372: -  
372: - GIBSON, WILLIAM (194smiley He is married with two children. In
372: - the early 1980s he wrote Neuromancer, and with this novel he
372: - helped establish a new kind of science fiction literature
372: - called cyberpunk. William Gibson defined the word cyberspace,
372: - and described virtual reality long before we saw the
372: - similarities with todays Internet. He has won the Hugo Award,
372: - Nebula Award and the Philipp K. Dick Award.
Meg Frisch: 19:44:58
any examples where IRC is used in educational contexts?
Meg Frisch: 19:45:38
both scenarios are of interest -
Meg Frisch: 19:45:48
anything you have to share!
scottrigby: 19:46:02
good Q in connection with The Public School smiley)
BASEKAMP team: 19:46:03
BASEKAMP team: 19:46:54
awesome! I'm there!
scottrigby: 19:47:39
it's also an oppotunity to infect the minds of "educators" with ides of open and peer learning
Meg Frisch: 19:47:40
scottrigby: 19:48:18
bookmarking channel!
scottrigby: 19:48:28
I smell a public school course coming up
Meg Frisch: 19:49:06
its curious - I always thought about how IRC format makes communication a bit more accessible, or more active than email / discussion forums?
Meg Frisch: 19:49:37
more like real conversation
scottrigby: 19:50:02
less like a megaphone.. more like talking to a group of people sitting around a table, or in a room
BASEKAMP team: 19:50:09
"real" is rather slippery a term smiley
scottrigby: 19:50:32
twitter broadcasts... "out" ... which has other benefits
Meg Frisch: 19:50:51
thumbtacks > staples
scottrigby: 19:51:02
tape, zipties
Meg Frisch: 19:51:07
scottrigby: 19:51:14
scottrigby: 19:51:24
static electricity!
BASEKAMP team: 19:51:35
snot and duct tape
BASEKAMP team: 19:51:47
so will snot
BASEKAMP team: 19:52:31
right cause snot and duct tape are sooo theoretical  smiley
Meg Frisch: 19:53:05
chat like a butterfly, IRC like a bee
BASEKAMP team: 19:53:54
scottrigby: 19:54:32
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BASEKAMP team: 19:54:35
whaaaaaaa!?! Hundreds?
stephen wright: 19:54:36
a couple of hundred channels!!
scottrigby: 19:54:53
scottrigby: 19:54:58
mm hmm
scottrigby: 19:54:59
i see
BASEKAMP team: 19:55:09
and your monitor is what size? 60"?
BASEKAMP team: 19:55:24
that is laughable!
scottrigby: 19:55:25
not for long tho megfrisch!
BASEKAMP team: 19:55:37
Meg Frisch: 19:55:46
Meg Frisch: 19:57:12
IRC Roulette
Meg Frisch: 19:57:48
Meg Frisch: 19:57:52
bot rampage
scottrigby: 19:57:56
Meg Frisch: 19:58:16
Jonathan should hug botkamp
scottrigby: 20:00:17
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scottrigby: 20:03:21
"there's a big difference between guiding a conversation, and removing obstacles to it" ..
stephen wright: 20:03:34
scottrigby: 20:03:47
"where channels managers can keep things flowing, but not try to control them"
stephen wright: 20:03:48
THanks Jonathan!
BASEKAMP team: 20:05:01
this has been really interesting and a nice extension of a lot of the things that have been discussed over the first 3 months of plausible artworlds
BASEKAMP team: 20:05:27
BASEKAMP team: 20:05:42
Scott what about that pup tent?
BASEKAMP team: 20:06:17
yes thank you very much this has been great!
eanstoops" title="seanstoops">Sean Stoops: 20:06:27
thanks good night!
stephen wright: 20:06:31
Hey Jonathan, thank you! Let's hope this'll lead to some new recruits to freenode!
Meg Frisch: 20:06:31
Thank you!
scottrigby: 20:06:39
please do!
BASEKAMP team: 20:07:14
yep I'm between Collegeville, Havertown, & Basekamp
BASEKAMP team: 20:07:23
Jonathan Simpson: 20:07:47 main site
Jonathan Simpson: 20:08:03 dates
BASEKAMP team: 20:08:28
thanks again. goodnight everyone.
stephen wright: 20:08:37
see ya'll next week
scottrigby: 20:09:06
for a moment i thougth the vacuuming above our heads was someone's "closing music"
scottrigby: 20:09:20
smiley  smiley
BASEKAMP team: 20:09:30
nite all
Jonathan Simpson: 20:09:40
hope my sound wasn't too bad smiley
scottrigby: 20:10:06
was great!
scottrigby: 20:10:20
that's an old aviators mic you said?
Jonathan Simpson: 20:10:48
it's my grandfathers "airline" mic
Jonathan Simpson: 20:10:50
very old brand
Meg Frisch: 20:10:54
an interesting departure from / complement to other weeks so far
scottrigby: 20:10:54
Meg Frisch: 20:11:01
[the talk, not the mic]
Meg Frisch: 20:11:07
[the mic too]
Jonathan Simpson: 20:11:23
I don't know much about it, other than it seems to do a great job with background noise.
scottrigby: 20:11:36
we should get one of those!
Meg Frisch: 20:11:40
i think its important to talk about communication channels, as they connect our art worlds
Jonathan Simpson: 20:11:53
I'm sitting in my workshop with half a dozen servers on my right, not sure if you could hear the humming smiley
Meg Frisch: 20:11:54
and its important to talk about mics
scottrigby: 20:12:07
scottrigby: 20:12:39
i couldnt hear any humming - sounds nice tho!
scottrigby: 20:13:39
megfrisch - we def need to talk about mics smiley
scottrigby: 20:14:27
gregscranton, yesplease & meg - would be good to have an in house tech talk sometime
Meg Frisch: 20:14:46
yes - for sure!
scottrigby: 20:15:07
welcome back michaelbauer!
michael g bauer: 20:15:19
thank you very much
scottrigby: 20:15:32
(we're sitting right next to earh other btw)
scottrigby: 20:15:47
barbara says: like passing notes in class
Meg Frisch: 20:16:47
my boss: "don't you have a potluck / talk tonight?" (staying late) me, re: "I'm skyping in!" him, re: "dont you live there?"
Meg Frisch: 20:17:14
scottrigby: 20:17:19
Meg Frisch: 20:17:22
actually nice to skype on this huge monitor
scottrigby: 20:17:38
au travail
Meg Frisch: 20:17:45
scottrigby: 20:18:13
ok guys... so... preview...
scottrigby: 20:18:18
next week...
scottrigby: 20:18:26
should i say?
Meg Frisch: 20:18:48
Meg Frisch: 20:19:03
smiley  smiley smiley  smiley smiley  smiley smiley  smiley smiley  smiley
scottrigby: 20:19:38
scottrigby: 20:19:58
well, we'll see smiley
scottrigby: 20:20:03
thy're scheduled
scottrigby: 20:20:12
thanx mf
Meg Frisch: 20:20:23
tips hat
scottrigby: 20:20:52
btw, the idea... is they are interested to donate a large plot of land for buildign our large network in love land
Meg Frisch: 20:21:11
scottrigby: 20:21:12
thousands of square inches of vast open space
scottrigby: 20:21:23
in meatspace, and virtual space
Meg Frisch: 20:21:30
right -
Jonathan Simpson: 20:21:40
I might have to be here for that smiley
Meg Frisch: 20:21:49
should be a treat
scottrigby: 20:21:54
JonathanD  smiley
Jonathan Simpson: 20:21:58
ya know, one thing I didn't touch on...
scottrigby: 20:22:00
we will also ask them hard questions
Meg Frisch: 20:22:01
neat model / idea
Jonathan Simpson: 20:22:09
is the ease of getting people in touch with other people.
Meg Frisch: 20:22:28
i lean so heavily on Twitter for that stuff
Meg Frisch: 20:22:47
i'm interested in IRC to cure my tweetosis
Jonathan Simpson: 20:22:48
I've been dragging scott around to make him meet people.
Meg Frisch: 20:22:53
Meg Frisch: 20:23:04
yes! meat meetings
scottrigby: 20:23:10
i know a few people in that camp smiley
scottrigby: 20:23:16
scottrigby: 20:23:36
Jonathan Simpson: 20:24:20
So would any of you be interested in joining us for PLUG social?
Meg Frisch: 20:24:26
Jonathan Simpson: 20:24:28
There is food. And usually pie.
Jonathan Simpson: 20:24:31
Philly linux users group
scottrigby: 20:24:44
mmm pie
Meg Frisch: 20:24:45
I'm not specifically a linux user
Jonathan Simpson: 20:24:47
social meaning the one at my house... all the others are at businessy places.
Jonathan Simpson: 20:25:06
we had the first social last month, with tacos, pie, and lightning talks.
scottrigby: 20:25:07
i see.. so not bkamp as a good place
Jonathan Simpson: 20:25:22
bkamp is probably a great place for a meeting, actually.
Jonathan Simpson: 20:25:45
PLUG does lots of different things.
Jonathan Simpson: 20:26:03
for different sorts of people.
Meg Frisch: 20:26:17
it sounds great. I've been trying to get more involved with tech groups in philly
scottrigby: 20:26:21
it might help get the "not-necessarily-art" (crossover) event juices flowing here
Jonathan Simpson: 20:26:28
well, also...
Meg Frisch: 20:26:32
PhillyCHI, panma, drupal
Jonathan Simpson: 20:26:35
last time here, we had 4 presentations I think.
scottrigby: 20:27:01
what kind of facilities do you need jonathan?
Jonathan Simpson: 20:27:07
one was on "how did they do the special effects on star trek the wrath of khan"
Meg Frisch: 20:27:15
scottrigby: 20:27:22
Jonathan Simpson: 20:27:24
then one about ebook readers, one about hydrogen, an open source drum machine
Jonathan Simpson: 20:27:34
and one about blending photos together into panoramics
Meg Frisch: 20:27:35
neat -
Jonathan Simpson: 20:27:49
panoramas, too
Meg Frisch: 20:27:51
reminds me of Junto / the Hactory / ignite philly in a way
Jonathan Simpson: 20:27:52
or pajamas
Meg Frisch: 20:27:56
the programming
scottrigby: 20:27:57
michael says "i like & use hydrogen"
Meg Frisch: 20:28:08
scottrigby: 20:28:10
pajama party
Meg Frisch: 20:28:14
philly hydrogen users group
Jonathan Simpson: 20:28:15
it's a good diverse group
Meg Frisch: 20:28:48
a beat-box / break-dance crew called hydrolinux
Meg Frisch: 20:28:57
scottrigby: 20:29:03
scottrigby: 20:29:47
wants a mini beatbox dance-off 2night
Jonathan Simpson: 20:29:54
and myself, I'm not a programmer, I am a "computer guy" but I enjoy getting events and communites together more than anything, I think.
Meg Frisch: 20:30:15
Jonathan: you might be interested in following whats' happening with the IDEA conference. some of my coworkers / colleagues are helping to organize
Meg Frisch: 20:30:20
Meg Frisch: 20:30:48
if you have any interest in giving a talk I'd be happy to put in a good word for you, they're doing space  / session planning right now
Jonathan Simpson: 20:31:01
So, -social info... it's going to be end of this month. I thin kthe 22nd.
Meg Frisch: 20:31:14
Jonathan Simpson: 20:31:16
Meg, I will look at it.
Jonathan Simpson: 20:31:28
Skype needs tab complete.
Jonathan Simpson: 20:31:54
Local = good and fall = good. I think I could do that smiley
scottrigby: 20:32:34
lookin' @ ideaconference
Meg Frisch: 20:32:43
cool. If you have any typical materials you send for conferences / events, feel free to forward to me
Meg Frisch: 20:32:55
if you have a specific talk in mind, that would be good info too. I have some people I would send it to
Jonathan Simpson: 20:33:38
I could probably do something touching on tonights topics, meg
Jonathan Simpson: 20:33:44
seems it would be appropriate.
scottrigby: 20:33:51
megfrisch - this woudl be a good link for the infographics TPS course maybe?
Meg Frisch: 20:33:55
the theme this year is integration - i'm sure there's tons of freenode stuff that speaks to that smiley
scottrigby: 20:34:16
Jonathan, i think a Public School course was already proposed based on tongiht's chat!
Jonathan Simpson: 20:34:30
Jonathan Simpson: 20:34:31
Jonathan Simpson: 20:34:40
from the TOS stuff?
Jonathan Simpson: 20:34:45
The TOS people are amazing.
scottrigby: 20:35:00
^^ megfrisch -- personally, i would be interested in developing a presentation with the baskemap group - on "what is integration - what is differentiation?"
Jonathan Simpson: 20:35:06
talk to mchua in #teachingopensource, she can probably provide some advice.
Meg Frisch: 20:35:21
sounds great -
scottrigby: 20:35:27
, of buckminster fuller's 40 questions, which - if answered - are supposed to reveal the sectets of our place in the universe
Meg Frisch: 20:35:41
Jonathan: my email address is, feel free to send some info. I have to log off for now, it was great having this chat
Jonathan Simpson: 20:36:10
thanks! take care
scottrigby: 20:36:17
BTW "Open Source Systems and Notions of a Public Democracy"
Meg Frisch: 20:36:26
Meg Frisch: 20:36:34
scottrigby: I'll be in touch sooner than later, && everybody else good night and good luck!
scottrigby: 20:36:42
JonathanD -- if you'd like -- and all of us of course smiley -- each of us can just click on '+im interested'
scottrigby: 20:40:51
bi all
Jonathan Simpson: 20:42:00
Jonathan Simpson: 20:42:04
Thanks for having me!
scottrigby: 20:46:14
it was our pleasure really
scottrigby: 20:46:18
but what i mean is
scottrigby: 20:46:31
come any time