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Created on 2010-07-06 20:09:17.

2010-07-06

 
BASEKAMP team: 17:58:29
so stacy, once we call, there will be a popup call window in skype. In the lower left corner, there are two buttons - one is a pause '||' button, and the other is a mic with a crossed out circle. The mic is the mute button smiley
BASEKAMP team: 17:59:20
hello everyone - we'll be starting in a few minutes
tacyswitzer" title="stacyswitzer">Stacy Switzer: 17:59:56
got it. thanks!
BASEKAMP team: 18:06:22
jonathan, if you're on #basekamp IRC, do you want to relay things back & forth a bit as people comment? we can't rally do both in the space here because of the projector
Jonathan Wagener: 18:06:35
yeah
Jonathan Wagener: 18:06:38
i can try
Jonathan Wagener: 18:06:40
smiley
Guy Loraine: 18:06:45
hello we are here... uarts crowd
Jonathan Wagener: 18:07:07
hello
BASEKAMP team: 18:12:11
hi everyone. How's the weather where you are?
stephen wright: 18:12:51
weather's cool, warm
Jonathan Wagener: 18:13:02
cold
lindsey baker: 18:13:10
100 degress in philly
stephen wright: 18:13:29
cold?
tacyswitzer" title="stacyswitzer">Stacy Switzer: 18:13:36
muggy in creepy kansas city
stephen wright: 18:13:37
you in alaska
Jonathan Wagener: 18:13:41
cape town is about 11C
Jonathan Wagener: 18:13:49
no cape town, south africa
stephen wright: 18:14:03
uruguay just lost to holland
Jonathan Wagener: 18:14:11
yup smiley
stephen wright: 18:14:27
your hemisphere is out -- i am pissed
Jonathan Wagener: 18:14:41
oh
Jonathan Wagener: 18:14:47
uruguay are cheats!
stephen wright: 18:15:03
ghana, argentina, uruguay, paraguay, brazil -- out
stephen wright: 18:15:06
cheats?
stephen wright: 18:15:10
dude!
stephen wright: 18:16:29
where's the cheating? Europe has the draw power for the southern players, then they have to play for home as if we were still in the 70s
Jonathan Wagener: 18:16:49
uruguay cheated in the ghana game
Jonathan Wagener: 18:16:54
with the hand ball
Jonathan Wagener: 18:17:07
ghana deserved to go through
stephen wright: 18:17:12
yes
BASEKAMP team: 18:17:44
so guys, does anyone have a preference about whether you'd like to talk with audio, or stick with text?
stephen wright: 18:17:49
but beyond that -- I mean it's a sport! It's also political!
Jonathan Wagener: 18:18:04
yeah i know. politics kill the game :/
Jonathan Wagener: 18:18:07
i can only do text tonight
lindsey baker: 18:18:08
i like text
Guy Loraine: 18:18:18
i like sound
stephen wright: 18:18:27
Politics gives it its significance
Jonathan Wagener: 18:18:36
yeah
Jonathan Wagener: 18:18:39
but it also makes it boring
stephen wright: 18:18:50
no, come on!
BASEKAMP team: 18:18:59
i know there are a few of you @ UArts today - how are you guys doing?
Guy Loraine: 18:19:04
The group here wants audio, just sayin
Erica Bertke: 18:19:17
doing great
lindsey baker: 18:19:30
fine here
stephen wright: 18:19:33
Paraguay / Spain was a great game
BASEKAMP team: 18:19:33
mm kay smiley well, we can do both. People who like text , and even people on audio, can do both
Guy Loraine: 18:19:43
6 of us at room 200
stephen wright: 18:19:56
but ya gotta admit, Paraguay should have won on political grounds
stephen wright: 18:20:17
or else we scrap the north /south thing
Erica Bertke: 18:20:17
don't really follow futbol
Jonathan Wagener: 18:20:22
paraguay?
stephen wright: 18:20:42
yeah, remember that place?
Jonathan Wagener: 18:20:51
hehehe. yeah
stephen wright: 18:20:54
miniscule country
Jonathan Wagener: 18:20:59
haha
stephen wright: 18:21:16
I wanted ghana to win -- obvio!
Jonathan Wagener: 18:21:34
the whole of africa wanted ghana to win
Jonathan Wagener: 18:21:40
meh :/
stephen wright: 18:21:40
byut now I want to stop Germany
Jonathan Wagener: 18:21:48
no germany must win
Jonathan Wagener: 18:21:53
they play awesomely
stephen wright: 18:21:57
Jonathan Wagener: 18:22:02
would be nice if the dutch get to the final tho
stephen wright: 18:22:02
true
stephen wright: 18:22:19
beautiful non-signature plays
stephen wright: 18:22:21
true
Jonathan Wagener: 18:22:27
yah
stephen wright: 18:22:55
you're right! They set the example
Jonathan Wagener: 18:23:00
yeah
BASEKAMP team: 18:23:07
so we're about to place a call - if ayone wants to join please do... if not, jsut ignore the call from us and we'll keep texting
stephen wright: 18:23:18
But they're from the NORTH
Jonathan Wagener: 18:23:21
all the celebrity teams have been a cop out
Jonathan Wagener: 18:23:40
yah, but there are no more southern teams left
stephen wright: 18:23:40
Paraguay and Ghana were pretty hot
Meg Frisch: 18:23:42
great
Jonathan Wagener: 18:23:55
yes
stephen wright: 18:24:01
Football, Meg!
BASEKAMP team: 18:24:20
lol
BASEKAMP team: 18:25:12
http://tinyurl.com/25tjetq
Jonathan Wagener: 18:26:27
scott your site is still lop sided smiley
stephen wright: 18:26:50
Like the FIFA world cup
Jonathan Wagener: 18:26:54
lol
Jonathan Wagener: 18:27:02
the leaning site of philly
Jonathan Wagener: 18:27:04
hehe
BASEKAMP team: 18:29:39
here's their website: http://www.ds4si.org
Guy Loraine: 18:31:01
we got dropped  smiley
BASEKAMP team: 18:31:38
will add you again
Nick Hanford: 18:31:54
has the audio started?
Guy Loraine: 18:31:57
thanks
BASEKAMP team: 18:33:23
ye - we'll add you again Nick
Nick Hanford: 18:33:41
thanks!
aulproteus" title="paulproteus">paulproteus: 18:34:04
waves.
BASEKAMP team: 18:34:49
np  ]smiley
aulproteus" title="paulproteus">paulproteus: 18:35:01
is Asheesh. psst, I want the microphone for a sec.
BASEKAMP team: 18:36:53
it is clear! strangely... let's see what it's like when we call DS4SI's mobule phone smiley  smiley
Guy Loraine: 18:39:49
we lost ya again
Guy Loraine: 18:41:48
you hoo? smiley
aulproteus" title="paulproteus">paulproteus: 18:42:21
ho ho ho
BASEKAMP team: 18:43:15
oh hey - will add you again
BASEKAMP team: 18:43:45
LOLs "the universe in it's early days"
Guy Loraine: 18:43:48
thanks smiley
aulproteus" title="paulproteus">paulproteus: 18:44:00
http://media.collegepublisher.com/media/paper932/stills/4075cf3ab3ec3-85... is our flamingos
aulproteus" title="paulproteus">paulproteus: 18:44:06
But moreover, how early is early?
aulproteus" title="paulproteus">paulproteus: 18:44:18
It's okay to have photon pictures from, like, when there *were* photos! A few weeks in, say.
BASEKAMP team: 18:45:08
well, the will actaully be available in 15 mins - we'l be calling them
BASEKAMP team: 18:45:50
brb...
aulproteus" title="paulproteus">paulproteus: 18:46:34
So what interests me is the idea of "intervention".
aulproteus" title="paulproteus">paulproteus: 18:48:15
that's all i have to say, so I stopped talking
stephen wright: 18:48:36
How the Design Studio works: A Case Study on Art and Activism
During the summer of 2009, the Design Studio worked
with youth activists and over 150 young people in the
Roxbury and Dorchester neighborhoods of Boston to
imagine new ways to address social or “horizontal” violence among youth in these neighborhoods. In
conjunction with our Artist-in-Residence, Judith
Leemann, we decided to intervene in the social practice of
“the grill” (where two peers catch eyes and assume
animosity, often leading to threats or actual violence.) We
wanted to play with how the grill demands the grill as
response, instantly creating a narrow space of on-edge
intensity and aggression. In that moment, all that matters
is what the grill says matters. We felt that anything we
could do to connect the grill to something else would
make it more difficult for the grill to be its greedy self.
The grill caught our attention because in our methodology for designing social interventions we
look for an entry point, a less explored angle with potential to interrupt social problems. Here was a
simple gesture that functioned on a symbolic level to epitomize a system where violence could start
over nothing more than “she looked at me wrong”, but also how the nothing was everything, their
very reputation and safety being on the line in the instant of response. So the grill was symbolic, but
also a literal act that we could point to, play with and make strange. Our interventions were aimed at
surreptitiously messing with the power of the grill. As one player said after our “Grill Game”,
“Damn, now I’m gonna smile every time I try to grill someone.”
aulproteus" title="paulproteus">paulproteus: 18:48:37
What they call the ____ -- did you say "grip"?
aulproteus" title="paulproteus">paulproteus: 18:48:45
dairy and gluten in the pie, fwiw
aulproteus" title="paulproteus">paulproteus: 18:48:46
and eggs.
BASEKAMP team: 18:49:37
reading...
aulproteus" title="paulproteus">paulproteus: 18:49:43
So this is what we were trying to target with our flamingos <http://media.www.jhunewsletter.com/media/storage/paper932/news/2004/04/0... -- walking across the quad was our "grill".
BASEKAMP team: 18:49:51
–O-O–
aulproteus" title="paulproteus">paulproteus: 18:50:19
I don't quite get what the grill game was that they played, but I guess I can find that online.
lindsey baker: 18:50:34
basekamp, call me back
BASEKAMP team: 18:50:47
calling...
lindsey baker: 18:50:57
thanks!
BASEKAMP team: 18:51:27
nprob
BASEKAMP team: 18:52:02
hi Jessica!
Jessica Westbrook: 18:53:10
hi hi
BASEKAMP team: 18:53:17
they also have a blog, which lists various projects http://www.ds4si.org/blog/
aulproteus" title="paulproteus">paulproteus: 18:54:38
Is "hackerspaces" and "open source" a meta-artworld? I'm not sure I understand what would qualify.
aulproteus" title="paulproteus">paulproteus: 18:54:44
(each one, a different meta-artworld)
Jessica Westbrook: 18:55:21
are the guests already on? sorry i'm all out of sorts
aulproteus" title="paulproteus">paulproteus: 18:55:29
no guests yet, at 7 PM
Jessica Westbrook: 18:55:34
oh cool
stephen wright: 18:56:26
good question. Paul. but when the defining features are singular enough, then we might talk about an art "world"
Jessica Westbrook: 18:57:34
what from underground?
Jessica Westbrook: 18:57:42
scott your conf ref
BASEKAMP team: 18:57:52
the city from below i meant
Jessica Westbrook: 18:57:59
thanks
BASEKAMP team: 18:58:55
true
aulproteus" title="paulproteus">paulproteus: 18:59:27
I didn't understand that last bit about "mainstream"...
stephen wright: 18:59:45
there is a mainstream
aulproteus" title="paulproteus">paulproteus: 18:59:51
well yeah, I just missed some of the words somehow
BASEKAMP team: 19:03:25
http://www.avam.org/
BASEKAMP team: 19:04:00
this isn't ousider art only, is it?
BASEKAMP team: 19:04:19
"outsider"
aulproteus" title="paulproteus">paulproteus: 19:04:44
AVAM is about art "inside" the people's heads, but the people are seen as "outsiders", meaning "not in the mainstream."
aulproteus" title="paulproteus">paulproteus: 19:04:57
But our art worlds that we discuss here are "not in the mainstream" too!
Guy Loraine: 19:05:19
depends who is on the inside and defining the ousider.
aulproteus" title="paulproteus">paulproteus: 19:05:51
Well, the thing about AVAM is that for all the artists involved, it's work reflecting their internal state. (Blake or other can correct this, since they've actually been!)
stephen wright: 19:05:53
no
stephen wright: 19:06:19
yes
Guy Loraine: 19:09:06
What about parallel worlds created on line such as SecondLife?
Guy Loraine: 19:09:45
ahh crap, we got dropped again.
aulproteus" title="paulproteus">paulproteus: 19:10:24
Could you add csetlow too?
Guy Loraine: 19:10:43
thanks
aulproteus" title="paulproteus">paulproteus: 19:13:06
I like how csetlow has a moon next to his name, as if it's night-time for him.
Erica Bertke: 19:15:24
yup still here
Jessica Westbrook: 19:16:04
smiley
BASEKAMP team: 19:16:15
LOLs
Jessica Westbrook: 19:16:15
smiley
Meg Frisch: 19:16:17
lols !
BASEKAMP team: 19:16:29
it's so hot i forgot to drink this ice cold beer
Erica Bertke: 19:16:32
i am very interested in their idea of social change via art - most experiences with it we are familiar with are community art groups/places for art classes etc. and this sounds quite a bit different
Meg Frisch: 19:16:37
oop
Meg Frisch: 19:16:44
⪃.⨀ེ_⨀ེ.⪄ ⪃.⨀ེ_⨀ེ.⪄
Erica Bertke: 19:16:54
and intriguing
BASEKAMP team: 19:17:00
for sure
Jessica Westbrook: 19:17:49
i'm reading their site
Erica Bertke: 19:18:07
it osunds more like its interactive with the entire community and not just those who choose to come to an art community or events
aulproteus" title="paulproteus">paulproteus: 19:18:16
Yeah, that's the joy of the intervention idea!
Erica Bertke: 19:19:21
i am curious to hear what some of the social intervention affects (positive i assume they are looking for) from the work they do
Erica Bertke: 19:19:35
you mean peta like the art based ads making social/political statements?
Guy Loraine: 19:19:56
we got dropped again!
aulproteus" title="paulproteus">paulproteus: 19:19:57
zing! wrong time zon.es
Jessica Westbrook: 19:21:00
re: DS4SI
Jessica Westbrook: 19:21:16
they hostt? or initiate projects?
Jessica Westbrook: 19:21:18
both?
Meg Frisch: 19:21:53
ˆ–¡º•º¡–ˆ
Meg Frisch: 19:22:13
£–¢–º–¢–£
Jessica Westbrook: 19:22:17
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-yZFbzaWbg
Meg Frisch: 19:22:21
Meg Frisch: 19:22:54
lols!
BASEKAMP team: 19:23:58
NSFW
Jessica Westbrook: 19:24:05
natural
Meg Frisch: 19:24:19
naturally satisfying for wildlife
Guy Loraine: 19:24:31
Scott could you add us back?
BASEKAMP team: 19:29:03
there you are
Erica Bertke: 19:30:33
pittsburgh is also a city of murals and i would have to say that some of them are very good for the community - i.e. it prompts a garden plot on the vacant lot adjacent the mural turning the space from something degraded and un-cared for to a "safe place" so to speak
BASEKAMP team: 19:31:13
http://www.mightywriters.org/
BASEKAMP team: 19:31:28
Erica for sure
Erica Bertke: 19:32:16
asheville has an arts-literacy program through the asheville arts museum that does similar things to what it seems mighty writers does
Jessica Westbrook: 19:33:52
ahhh
Guy Loraine: 19:34:26
still not hearing anything but wanted to suggest a book by Anne Whiston Spirn called the Language of Landscape in which she discusses the process of students working with gardening communities here in Philly and how the process worked and did not work.
Erica Bertke: 19:35:13
perhaps - but not all are related/supported/funded by the government at all
BASEKAMP team: 19:36:04
guilt relief is what that argument says these projects might be doing
BASEKAMP team: 19:36:44
Guy we'll call you back. your line keeps dropping - please just keep telling us when taht happens
Jessica Westbrook: 19:36:56
education is a way in
Jessica Westbrook: 19:37:02
educators...
Guy Loraine: 19:37:05
is there still an audio conversation going on?  Thanks
Jessica Westbrook: 19:37:07
informing
BASEKAMP team: 19:37:10
yes
Erica Bertke: 19:37:12
but how do you know you are not addressing a larger situation, i.e. influencing the lives of children who are participating in art of some kind which prompts their self-esteem to rise and can influence their lives to move in a direction it might not otherwise have gone.  i know it sounds naive, but i have witnessed it personally so it does in fact happen
BASEKAMP team: 19:37:58
Erica - yes - would you like to say this outloud? or would you rather we just address it
Jessica Westbrook: 19:38:15
yes erica - teaching risk and confidence
Jessica Westbrook: 19:38:25
is proactive
Erica Bertke: 19:38:35
you can address it  - a lot of residual noise where we are
Jessica Westbrook: 19:39:17
teaching kids to apply this behavior in alt scenarios is awesome
Jessica Westbrook: 19:40:24
consumer guilt makes small impact
Jessica Westbrook: 19:40:32
compared to corporate
Jessica Westbrook: 19:40:38
junk
aulproteus" title="paulproteus">paulproteus: 19:41:31
(that's why art students go on to work in advertising, right?)
Jessica Westbrook: 19:42:06
ya art so powerful
Guy Loraine: 19:42:43
FYI    http://www.vsarts.org/
BASEKAMP team: 19:43:26
LOLs indeed
BASEKAMP team: 19:43:35
then again, who makes thos films?
BASEKAMP team: 19:43:39
art students!
Jessica Westbrook: 19:43:45
corporations
Erica Bertke: 19:44:21
well, we're curious what is a better solution than small movements of change - and is this how ds4si plays a role in greater change?  we are having difficulty quite understanding what they do.
Jessica Westbrook: 19:44:30
those industry creative teams and teams and teams... make very few decisions
Guy Loraine: 19:45:49
That's how most people live.
Jessica Westbrook: 19:45:53
we tried to bring it to a small town
Guy Loraine: 19:47:01
Jessica,  Where was this taking place?
Erica Bertke: 19:47:54
jessica - could you explain a little bit better what you did - i.e. what "plausible artworkd" meant for that situation in chattanooga
Guy Loraine: 19:47:54
we lost our connection again.
BASEKAMP team: 19:47:56
Erica, im not backpeddaling, but take what i'm saying with a grain of salt -- this is a perspective that exists, and something (from my point of view anyway) to consider -- it's not an argument that tries to preclude any form of social practice or "community" practice by artists
Guy Loraine: 19:48:43
Thanks
Erica Bertke: 19:48:45
it is good to hear other perspectives, it makes you re-evaluate how you do your own work in a positive way
BASEKAMP team: 19:49:52
did anyone else get dropped from the call?
Erica Bertke: 19:50:01
yup
Guy Loraine: 19:50:08
yes from multiple spots
Erica Bertke: 19:50:14
still on call
BASEKAMP team: 19:50:21
kewl
Jessica Westbrook: 19:51:30
(adam here) also we take no credit for the approach, it was straight from bell hooks and paulo fierere
Erica Bertke: 19:51:52
jessica - were the kids participating openly and would you consider it to be a success, if so how?
Jessica Westbrook: 19:52:16
it was a good class, the students called it "detox"
Erica Bertke: 19:52:22
lol
Jessica Westbrook: 19:52:54
night class, food, team taught, ell family taught - we had our son there too... it became its own community
Erica Bertke: 19:53:11
because they don't get many opportunities to participate in things like that probably
Jessica Westbrook: 19:53:46
not in edu there
Erica Bertke: 19:54:21
how did you market/advertise it to get people to show up?
Jessica Westbrook: 19:54:38
it was a credit course, special topics, undergrad
Jessica Westbrook: 19:54:43
we had full enrollment
Jessica Westbrook: 19:54:54
blogged and facebooked, word of mouth invite too
Jessica Westbrook: 19:55:17
i think it intimidated our colleagues
Erica Bertke: 19:55:35
sounds cool
Jessica Westbrook: 19:55:40
so it was just students, and a few friends of the students
BASEKAMP team: 19:55:47
again, i'm not saying don't give money to homeless people
BASEKAMP team: 19:55:51
!
BASEKAMP team: 19:56:55
we're talking about individually funded projects vs socialized projects
Jessica Westbrook: 19:59:45
nice chatting all over teh place tonight
Guy Loraine: 20:00:09
Thanks Scott
Erica Bertke: 20:00:14
thanks!
Jessica Westbrook: 20:00:19
smiley
csetlow: 20:00:20
Bye everybody & thanks!
BASEKAMP team: 20:00:43
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