Chat History with basekamp/$369f89fa6cb8c4ad" title="#basekamp/$369f89fa6cb8c4ad">The Public School and AAAARG.org http://bit.ly/73CHyE (#basekamp/$369f89fa6cb8c4ad)

Created on 2010-01-05 23:23:59.

2010-01-05

 

BASEKAMP team: 17:43:23

Hello Stephen, i just added you to a Public chat

BASEKAMP team: 17:43:54

Howdy

Robert Hooker: 17:44:06

Hi

Robert Hooker: 17:44:14

Thanks

stephen wright: 17:44:38

Hey

jelena guga: 17:44:51

hey

stephen wright: 17:45:03

Is this text only? Or can we yack?

BASEKAMP team: 17:45:04

Hi --- scott here (though we may switch it up a bit tonight off & on) -- adding people to the chat

BASEKAMP team: 17:45:16

we can defeinitely yack it up, audio style

BASEKAMP team: 17:45:35

                                                                                   

jelena guga: 17:46:04

yeeeey!

BASEKAMP team: 17:46:16

but we'll also have people contributing to the text "live transcription" (i think), so those who can't do audio won't be left out

atrowbri: 17:47:37

Classes don't start until Thursday so no student transcription tonight. I'll try out transcribing and see how it goes but I have been told, and I quote, "Adam types like a drunk monkey"

BASEKAMP team: 17:48:11

adam, that is a shame...

BASEKAMP team: 17:48:16

next time!

BASEKAMP team: 17:48:40

personally, i think drunk monkey typing is more than anyone should expect

BASEKAMP team: 17:48:51

BASEKAMP team: 17:50:35

hi Caleb - added you to the public chat

caleb waldorf: 17:50:43

great!

caleb waldorf: 17:50:57

do i need to call in?

caleb waldorf: 17:51:03

is that how it works?

BASEKAMP team: 17:51:16

"we'll call you"

caleb waldorf: 17:51:23

fantastic

jelena guga: 17:51:39

good, was just about to ask the same

BASEKAMP team: 17:52:45

atrowbri, can you keep tabs on IRC tonight? I know at least 1 person can only join by IRC (goldielockes)

BASEKAMP team: 17:53:12

...and maybe paste some stuff in-between skype > < irc?

BASEKAMP team: 17:54:54

Hi Sean & everyone

eandockray" title="seandockray">Sean Dockray: 17:55:16

oh i think i was typing in the other chat

stephen wright: 17:55:21

Hi Sean et al

arahkessler" title="sarahkessler">sarahkessler: 17:55:34

hi all

eandockray" title="seandockray">Sean Dockray: 17:55:37

hi stephen!

Valentina Desideri: 17:55:40

hello

arahkessler" title="sarahkessler">sarahkessler: 17:55:43

are we doing this textually?

eandockray" title="seandockray">Sean Dockray: 17:55:54

siobhan is stil asleep so i cant be loud

BASEKAMP team: 17:55:56

Elysa, feel free to add them to this chat

eandockray" title="seandockray">Sean Dockray: 17:56:41

hi elysa and valentina and sarah too

arahkessler" title="sarahkessler">sarahkessler: 17:56:46

hi

arahkessler" title="sarahkessler">sarahkessler: 17:56:51

how is this done?

Elysa Lozano: 17:56:52

hi

Elysa Lozano: 17:56:56

!

eandockray" title="seandockray">Sean Dockray: 17:57:14

don't think, just type

Matthew Slaats: 17:57:19

Hey, everyone - Looking forward to this!

BASEKAMP team: 17:57:32

Hi everyone -- we wrote up a short description...

arahkessler" title="sarahkessler">sarahkessler: 17:57:48

do i need to be added to the chat?

arahkessler" title="sarahkessler">sarahkessler: 17:57:58

or have i been?

eandockray" title="seandockray">Sean Dockray: 17:58:02

i think you're in

arahkessler" title="sarahkessler">sarahkessler: 17:58:07

heh

eandockray" title="seandockray">Sean Dockray: 17:58:18

scott is the skype maestro, he'll know for sure

BASEKAMP team: 17:58:29

we'll start with a Public text-only chat, then in a few minutes start audio with whoever wants to join that

stephen wright: 17:58:38

ok

ashadela" title="sashadela">S Dela: 17:58:50

Hello Basecamp. Thanks for letting me join.

arahkessler" title="sarahkessler">sarahkessler: 17:59:34

ditto

arahkessler" title="sarahkessler">sarahkessler: 17:59:35

that

Robert Hooker: 17:59:37

I assume anything that comes up could be blogged or posted on twitter?

BASEKAMP team: 17:59:47

Here's a short description everyone -- hope it helps answer some Qs

BASEKAMP team: 17:59:50

In hopes of making the Potluck more fun and making you more comfortable, we’ve described the general structure below.

Potlucks are informal talks based on mutual respect between all participants. They generally follow a loose interview style with Basekamp hosts getting the ball rolling and the floor open to questions from everyone on the call from the start. If a different format would work better, please feel free to discuss it before the chat so we can prepare.

Plausible Art Worlds Potlucks will begin at 6 PM (in the eastern time zone, “Philadelphia Time”).

Potlucks will take advantage of Skype voice chat and will generally be (loosely) transcribed into Skype text chat for those who cannot do voice chat. Basekamp will take care of initiating and maintaining the voice chat.

arahkessler" title="sarahkessler">sarahkessler: 18:00:10

cool

Jessica Westbrook: 18:00:41

quick hello to everyone

eandockray" title="seandockray">Sean Dockray: 18:00:56

voice is going to be awkward for me because i have to go into the opposite corner of the apartment as my napping daughter and keep things failry quiet

arahkessler" title="sarahkessler">sarahkessler: 18:01:10

we could all whisper to make you more comfortable

Valentina Desideri: 18:01:38

or just sing softly your answers

jelena guga: 18:01:58

what time is it now guys? where i am it's midnight, so...

arahkessler" title="sarahkessler">sarahkessler: 18:02:15

3

arahkessler" title="sarahkessler">sarahkessler: 18:02:17

pm

arahkessler" title="sarahkessler">sarahkessler: 18:02:28

adam!

jelena guga: 18:02:45

thnx sarah

eandockray" title="seandockray">Sean Dockray: 18:03:25

someone from whyy in philadelphia just called now (greg gave my number) about tps philly

eandockray" title="seandockray">Sean Dockray: 18:03:50

but i had to whisper, my phone is about to die, and this is happening

theadamkatz: 18:03:50

hey sarah, et al

eandockray" title="seandockray">Sean Dockray: 18:03:54

hi adam!

arahkessler" title="sarahkessler">sarahkessler: 18:04:01

arahkessler" title="sarahkessler">sarahkessler: 18:05:12

sean, why did the whyy person call?

eandockray" title="seandockray">Sean Dockray: 18:05:16

jelena, its 3pm here and 78 degrees

eandockray" title="seandockray">Sean Dockray: 18:05:53

dunno, to ask about tps in philadelphia?

arahkessler" title="sarahkessler">sarahkessler: 18:06:06

why not call philly?

eandockray" title="seandockray">Sean Dockray: 18:06:32

good question! i guess greg gave my number?

eandockray" title="seandockray">Sean Dockray: 18:07:03

tried to get him to come to this chat but it seemed complicated

atrowbri: 18:07:24

Skype is hard for reporters

atrowbri: 18:11:10

hey Chris

arahkessler" title="sarahkessler">sarahkessler: 18:11:14

has it gotten less cold in philly?

arahkessler" title="sarahkessler">sarahkessler: 18:11:27

it was freezing the past two weeks

arahkessler" title="sarahkessler">sarahkessler: 18:11:47

(when in doubt, talk about the weather)

BASEKAMP team: 18:11:55

haha

BASEKAMP team: 18:12:09

Hey Sean, so are you going to whisper, or do you want to do text-only?

eandockray" title="seandockray">Sean Dockray: 18:12:58

well i have no problem with whispering, but how many other people can do audio?  because whenever i come on to audio chats i miss everything because i can never play sound

BASEKAMP team: 18:13:34

i think a bunch of us are doing audio, but we will text chat with you if that's better for you

Christopher Kennedy: 18:13:48

hello from new york!

eandockray" title="seandockray">Sean Dockray: 18:13:51

and also does audio make it more that only one person can speak at a time? as opposed to anarchic IRC-style text

Jessica Westbrook: 18:13:54

hi chris

Christopher Kennedy: 18:14:00

hey jessica

eandockray" title="seandockray">Sean Dockray: 18:14:25

oh boy my daughter is not happy about beginning to wake up (nothing to do with this)

theadamkatz: 18:14:26

should we begin with some introductions?

justyna badach: 18:14:34

I can do audio just need a sec to figure out how to do audio chart

Valentina Desideri: 18:14:34

yes it would be nice to do it by chat

arahkessler" title="sarahkessler">sarahkessler: 18:14:36

maybe text only is the way to go

eandockray" title="seandockray">Sean Dockray: 18:14:45

yes!

arahkessler" title="sarahkessler">sarahkessler: 18:14:50

i mean, i prefer it

eandockray" title="seandockray">Sean Dockray: 18:14:51

sorry scott, i know you love audio

Christopher Kennedy: 18:14:52

ya audio would be good

caleb waldorf: 18:15:04

i'd like to try audio

arahkessler" title="sarahkessler">sarahkessler: 18:15:05

ok we seem 50/50 then

BASEKAMP team: 18:15:28

"sorry scott, i know you love audio" (snif)

BASEKAMP team: 18:15:38

wait, that could be read the wrong way...

Christopher Kennedy: 18:15:49

yes lets please do audio

eandockray" title="seandockray">Sean Dockray: 18:16:22

ok go for it

atrowbri: 18:16:32

I will try to transcribe for those who are text only

atrowbri: 18:16:43

Anyone else who wants is welcome to assist

arahkessler" title="sarahkessler">sarahkessler: 18:16:44

cool, thank you

BASEKAMP team: 18:16:50

we can do audio with folks who ;want to, and also connect with the text chat as the main focus, since you';ll be on text Sean

BASEKAMP team: 18:17:06

So guys, just to let you konw -- we'l call you.

eandockray" title="seandockray">Sean Dockray: 18:17:08

do i answer this phone call?

caleb waldorf: 18:17:23

yes

Elysa Lozano: 18:17:24

can i get on the audio a bit later?

BASEKAMP team: 18:17:24

not being unfriend;y, jsut that we received like 40 clls in the past 20 mins

Jessica Westbrook: 18:17:31

is justyna managing call?

Jessica Westbrook: 18:17:33

echos

Jessica Westbrook: 18:17:34

yes

BASEKAMP team: 18:17:37

Elysa, sre we can add or remo;ve people from audio any time

atrowbri: 18:17:37

*insane sci-fi echo* call has started

eandockray" title="seandockray">Sean Dockray: 18:17:47

im gonna start drinking

Elysa Lozano: 18:17:48

great!

justyna badach: 18:17:51

yes I am calling and it sounds like a 70's space film

atrowbri: 18:17:59

It's a bit scary

Jessica Westbrook: 18:18:01

i just muted here

Jessica Westbrook: 18:18:07

sounds clean now

Valentina Desideri: 18:18:33

maybe we should mute except when talking

caleb waldorf: 18:18:53

if you have headphones that will cut out the feedback

BASEKAMP team: 18:19:12

are some of you on a conference call already -- adam?

atrowbri: 18:19:17

Strange liquid noises

theadamkatz: 18:19:24

yes, i'm here in the call

arahkessler" title="sarahkessler">sarahkessler: 18:19:31

so are we muting when not talking?

eandockray" title="seandockray">Sean Dockray: 18:19:43

no one is talking

Jessica Westbrook: 18:19:45

i am muting, until i have a question

BASEKAMP team: 18:19:46

we're not in a call at all here

arahkessler" title="sarahkessler">sarahkessler: 18:19:47

eating sounds

eandockray" title="seandockray">Sean Dockray: 18:19:53

i just hear people eating cereal

theadamkatz: 18:19:54

it also helps to mute while typing

atrowbri: 18:19:55

Who is supposed to initiate the call

Jessica Westbrook: 18:20:05

basekamp - call in?

Jessica Westbrook: 18:20:29

basekamp?

BASEKAMP team: 18:20:41

well, we did have hte plan to start at 6pm, but the overwhelming response is slowing it down a little... that's ok though -- we just need to hook up

atrowbri: 18:20:55

Scott, there's a call already...

BASEKAMP team: 18:20:55

jessica - where to call? are you on a conference call?

Jessica Westbrook: 18:20:56

they are doing inroductions now

atrowbri: 18:20:58

No idea how it started

BASEKAMP team: 18:21:02

hmm -- ok

atrowbri: 18:21:06

Yeah

Jessica Westbrook: 18:21:07

jutyna initated call

BASEKAMP team: 18:21:23

i see. In that case, Justyna, can you add us to the call?

BASEKAMP team: 18:21:52

We love skype, but interestingly in 5 years of weekly events this is the first time this has happened -- we're left out of the call

arahkessler" title="sarahkessler">sarahkessler: 18:22:01

craziness

Jessica Westbrook: 18:22:24

scott or greg usually call so the whole roster gets included

cesare pietroiusti: 18:22:30

me too, i'm out of the call, it seems

BASEKAMP team: 18:23:02

ok guys, how about this. Everyone hang up, and we'll do the call. I would now, but it will get very confusing if you're all already in one

atrowbri: 18:23:06

YES

caleb waldorf: 18:23:22

OK

BASEKAMP team: 18:23:30

Can someone who's in the call let everyone know, even if they're not reading the text?

caleb waldorf: 18:23:30

hung

BASEKAMP team: 18:23:36

word

arahkessler" title="sarahkessler">sarahkessler: 18:23:44

up

atrowbri: 18:23:46

Initiate a group call, Basekamp team

Jessica Westbrook: 18:23:50

i said you guys were not in call

eandockray" title="seandockray">Sean Dockray: 18:23:54

no problems like this with text

BASEKAMP team: 18:23:54

                                                                                                                                                                                           

Jessica Westbrook: 18:23:58

i just hung up

arahkessler" title="sarahkessler">sarahkessler: 18:23:59

aws

arahkessler" title="sarahkessler">sarahkessler: 18:24:21

BASEKAMP team: 18:24:43

Sean - true... but we have 20 people here so audio would be lightly helpful... but we will keep up with text chat so all will be well (sort of)

eandockray" title="seandockray">Sean Dockray: 18:25:03

and this technical fuddling is kind of an organized group chat ritual, like milling around after a lecture

eandockray" title="seandockray">Sean Dockray: 18:25:08

you can't do without it

BASEKAMP team: 18:25:18

^^ True Sean

atrowbri: 18:25:20

It's a tradition

BASEKAMP team: 18:25:31

so Sean, you want to do audio right? WHo; else?

arahkessler" title="sarahkessler">sarahkessler: 18:25:36

meee

Valentina Desideri: 18:25:44

isn't chat and call at the same time a bit confusing?

stephen wright: 18:25:45

me

Jessica Westbrook: 18:25:50

we can share here in tennessee

Jessica Westbrook: 18:25:59

audio that is

Matthew Slaats: 18:26:06

I'm up for audio

eandockray" title="seandockray">Sean Dockray: 18:26:09

it is totally confusing valentina, but that may be part of the charm

Valentina Desideri: 18:26:17

ok i'm in

arahkessler" title="sarahkessler">sarahkessler: 18:26:25

brb

eandockray" title="seandockray">Sean Dockray: 18:26:45

i am usualy stuck in text-only land so this is exciting for me

BASEKAMP team: 18:27:06

ok lovely -- we'll start with that. we can add more people to the call any time!

Jessica Westbrook: 18:27:15

yes

Jessica Westbrook: 18:27:28

call me

Christopher Kennedy: 18:27:46

audio for here would be good

jelena guga: 18:30:13

audio

arahkessler" title="sarahkessler">sarahkessler: 18:30:23

does anyone else want audio?

jelena guga: 18:30:26

if i dont fall asleep

cesare pietroiusti: 18:30:54

let's try audio

atrowbri: 18:31:04

transcribing now

atrowbri: 18:31:12

If you are not chatting please mute

caleb waldorf: 18:31:20

i'd like audo

caleb waldorf: 18:31:25

(audio)

Jessica Westbrook: 18:31:30

we are on mute. it sounds clean btw

caleb waldorf: 18:31:44

can someone ring me

Jessica Westbrook: 18:31:54

they are calling you caleb

caleb waldorf: 18:32:03

arahkessler" title="sarahkessler">sarahkessler: 18:33:38

scott is describing the public school

theadamkatz: 18:33:41

me too?

arahkessler" title="sarahkessler">sarahkessler: 18:33:42

fyi

atrowbri: 18:33:46

audio is a mess here a bit

arahkessler" title="sarahkessler">sarahkessler: 18:33:46

add adam, please

eandockray" title="seandockray">Sean Dockray: 18:34:02

sounds great

Jessica Westbrook: 18:34:03

scott is all clear

Valentina Desideri: 18:34:12

clear

eandockray" title="seandockray">Sean Dockray: 18:34:19

i can hear stephen good

BASEKAMP team: 18:34:20

we are asking that when you are not speaking that you please mute your mic, thx

cesare pietroiusti: 18:34:25

i can hear very well

eandockray" title="seandockray">Sean Dockray: 18:34:27

and sarah sounds good to me

Elysa Lozano: 18:34:32

will be back in a bit.....

jelena guga: 18:34:33

stop moving the mike

arahkessler" title="sarahkessler">sarahkessler: 18:34:35

that's cos i'm loud

atrowbri: 18:35:26

Scott is intro Plausible Artworlds

atrowbri: 18:36:07

art worlds that differ in a meaningful way from the "dominant" art world(s)

atrowbri: 18:36:21

Public School is autonomous information production

theadamkatz: 18:36:46

thx

atrowbri: 18:36:47

questioning educatinal models

eandockray" title="seandockray">Sean Dockray: 18:37:31

i went on hold for  alittle while so i missed the last minute or two

Valentina Desideri: 18:37:37

it cut

caleb waldorf: 18:37:54

we got kicked out of the other call

caleb waldorf: 18:37:57

or the main call

atrowbri: 18:38:01

Public School moved into it's own space in a basement, in an alley in Chinatown in LA

eandockray" title="seandockray">Sean Dockray: 18:38:07

we moved to a new space

eandockray" title="seandockray">Sean Dockray: 18:38:10

since then

caleb waldorf: 18:38:11

hey

caleb waldorf: 18:38:18

can someone reinvite us?

Jessica Westbrook: 18:38:20

caleb you need ring again?

eandockray" title="seandockray">Sean Dockray: 18:38:20

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caleb waldorf: 18:38:25

yes

Jessica Westbrook: 18:38:27

okay

Valentina Desideri: 18:38:32

me too

caleb waldorf: 18:38:32

we got invited to another call

Jessica Westbrook: 18:38:37

basekamp can you add caleb to teh call

BASEKAMP team: 18:38:38

one sec we're working on it

eandockray" title="seandockray">Sean Dockray: 18:38:38

me too

atrowbri: 18:38:44

Classes self organize based on interest. Classes are proposed by instructors or by people interested and seeking an instructor

jelena guga: 18:39:00

ring me again, please

Jessica Westbrook: 18:39:19

caleb, sean, jelenga need call

caleb waldorf: 18:39:20

thanks!

eandockray" title="seandockray">Sean Dockray: 18:39:23

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caleb waldorf: 18:39:24

i'm in

eandockray" title="seandockray">Sean Dockray: 18:39:38

sorry.. was trying to send a photo of our new space

arahkessler" title="sarahkessler">sarahkessler: 18:39:53

dudes, adam and i need back in

jelena guga: 18:40:00

me too

atrowbri: 18:40:04

[Please mute the chat if you're not currently speaking otherwise there's feedback]

eandockray" title="seandockray">Sean Dockray: 18:40:08

http://telic.info/images/951ckr.jpg

Valentina Desideri: 18:40:13

and me too

Jessica Westbrook: 18:40:24

thanks for image

arahkessler" title="sarahkessler">sarahkessler: 18:40:33

uhh

arahkessler" title="sarahkessler">sarahkessler: 18:40:36

what's going on?

atrowbri: 18:40:41

Is that your daughter, Sean?

eandockray" title="seandockray">Sean Dockray: 18:40:45

press the pause button

eandockray" title="seandockray">Sean Dockray: 18:40:49

yeah thats her!

atrowbri: 18:40:52

awesome!

atrowbri: 18:41:09

Sarah and Sean are beginning to talk

theadamkatz: 18:41:22

should i be expecting a call?

atrowbri: 18:41:23

Going to address how Public School started

BASEKAMP team: 18:41:52

adam wel'll add you now

theadamkatz: 18:42:04

i've heard all this before   

BASEKAMP team: 18:42:13

haha

atrowbri: 18:42:17

5 years of exhibitions, video

atrowbri: 18:42:43

performances, program became more interactive

jelena guga: 18:42:56

i havent, and would appreciate if u could ring me again

atrowbri: 18:42:57

end of 2005, they started public school

BASEKAMP team: 18:43:04

jelena ok

atrowbri: 18:43:22

Sean hoped for dialog between exhibitions and public school

BASEKAMP team: 18:43:33

jelena, pleae switch your status to "available"

atrowbri: 18:44:00

This did not really happen beyond a single exhibition and Sean was more interested in The Public School

jelena guga: 18:44:09

i just did

BASEKAMP team: 18:44:11

hmm, interesting - we can not add you for some reason jelena?

jelena guga: 18:44:24

Jessica Westbrook: 18:44:25

more interested in school than exhibitions

Valentina Desideri: 18:44:48

could you try to add me again?

atrowbri: 18:44:51

Sean found Public School to be most vibrant part of program

jelena guga: 18:45:04

can i call you guys instead?

theadamkatz: 18:45:16

i'm on. but wondering if sean sounds like HAL to everyone else...

BASEKAMP team: 18:45:26

jelena, you can but it will no t be on the conference call, (and would be really confusing to have 2 separate calls)

atrowbri: 18:45:32

Is Sean *not* an AI?

jelena guga: 18:45:44

ok

BASEKAMP team: 18:45:45

chuckles

atrowbri: 18:45:51

Sean thought it would be interesting to replace gallery with school

BASEKAMP team: 18:46:17

jelena, for some reason, the option is greyed out for your user?

atrowbri: 18:46:17

They've moved to a third space as of Sept 09

BASEKAMP team: 18:46:23

maybe skype is working with the cia

jelena guga: 18:46:45

i really have no idea what's going on

Jessica Westbrook: 18:46:47

sean this is great info

jelena guga: 18:46:53

was in and then, out

atrowbri: 18:47:11

The Public School is 5 years old

BASEKAMP team: 18:47:20

jelena maybe try to restart?

caleb waldorf: 18:47:24

AAAARG is 5 years old

atrowbri: 18:47:29

OH

jelena guga: 18:47:37

ok

caleb waldorf: 18:47:40

TPS is like two years old

Jessica Westbrook: 18:47:46

ah

atrowbri: 18:47:49

Lots of noise in the background, hard to make out, thanks caleb

caleb waldorf: 18:47:58

sure thing!

Jessica Westbrook: 18:48:48

what is the relationship tween TPS "locations"

theadamkatz: 18:49:05

(impossible to hear)

Jessica Westbrook: 18:49:07

who manages the technology/sites/applications

BASEKAMP team: 18:49:30

katherine, do you want to be added to the audio chat? we are doing audio and text -- you can do either

atrowbri: 18:49:32

Question about where The Public School (TPS henceforth) got started

Valentina Desideri: 18:49:58

i'd still like to be added on the audio

atrowbri: 18:50:33

AAAARG sprung from a need to refer to specific texts in discussions

atrowbri: 18:51:26

backend went from wordpress to drupal, 3 yrs in it's current state

jelena guga: 18:51:27

am back in

jelena guga: 18:51:38

can you try adding me to audio again?

BASEKAMP team: 18:51:58

ok

BASEKAMP team: 18:52:10

jelena - it works! calling now

stephen wright: 18:52:12

i lost my connection too

atrowbri: 18:52:18

AAAARG & TPS moved in parallel, efforts to integrate the two, using AAAARG texts for TPS classes and add texts for TPS classes to AAAARG

BASEKAMP team: 18:52:20

stephen -- we'll re-add you

jelena guga: 18:52:52

thnx

atrowbri: 18:52:55

You can group AAAARG (ARG henceforth) texts into groups to connect them

BASEKAMP team: 18:53:09

stephen is in paris, jelena is in seribia - maybe there is some conection hiccups... we should be ok now i hope

jelena guga: 18:53:33

we are

Jessica Westbrook: 18:53:38

atrowbri: 18:53:39

Perhaps he's imaging ESCAPE

caleb waldorf: 18:53:47

good example of a class with a ton of texts through AAAARG: http://la.thepublicschool.org/class/1445

alanwmoorenyc: 18:54:24

skype newbie hears nothing

atrowbri: 18:54:47

Basekamp asking about other locations for TPS

theadamkatz: 18:54:51

no, i don't think so

atrowbri: 18:54:58

Philly is adding a PS

BASEKAMP team: 18:55:05

alan, do you want to join audio?

theadamkatz: 18:55:16

i could, but the audio is terrible for me...

alanwmoorenyc: 18:55:39

i can listen -- can't talk much in public

Jessica Westbrook: 18:55:42

i can hear adam

Jessica Westbrook: 18:55:46

yes

BASEKAMP team: 18:55:49

caling you now alan

eandockray" title="seandockray">Sean Dockray: 18:55:53

im muting myself

theadamkatz: 18:56:35

sorry guys.

theadamkatz: 18:56:40

this isn;t working for me...

atrowbri: 18:56:52

theadamkatz can you just type to us?

theadamkatz: 18:57:02

sure...

theadamkatz: 18:57:16

basically we had a class that was cohosted in LA and Philly

Jessica Westbrook: 18:57:19

so maybe scott can explain how the Phila Pa PS is getting started/organized

atrowbri: 18:57:21

The question was how TPS works in other locations, how it started, etc

Jessica Westbrook: 18:57:24

as an example

theadamkatz: 18:57:25

led by michael gerald bauer in Philly

Jessica Westbrook: 18:57:27

of how they FORM

theadamkatz: 18:57:55

in that class, we learned that skype was pretty difficult

theadamkatz: 18:58:14

and not a good replacement for people in a room together

BASEKAMP team: 18:58:28

adam -- TRUE DAT

BASEKAMP team: 18:58:50

but it'sa decent replacement for flying 25 people across the planet in one night

theadamkatz: 18:59:00

that said, there is a great opportunity

Jessica Westbrook: 18:59:00

its tricky when you live someplace isolated without a local culture...

arahkessler" title="sarahkessler">sarahkessler: 18:59:12

we are about to do a skype class here in LA from one part of town to another

atrowbri: 18:59:18

Sean is explaining that it is difficult to make non-local (virtual) connections between two physical locations

BASEKAMP team: 18:59:30

hi Dan

BASEKAMP team: 18:59:40

want to be added to the audio call?

Dan Schimmel: 18:59:42

hi thanks

Dan Schimmel: 18:59:48

ok

theadamkatz: 18:59:49

in parallel ativity

theadamkatz: 19:00:00

or synchronous classes

katherinecarl: 19:00:02

thanks Scott just text thanks, great to be in

arahkessler" title="sarahkessler">sarahkessler: 19:00:10

http://la.thepublicschool.org/class/1765

theadamkatz: 19:00:27

ha

atrowbri: 19:00:27

From the beginning TPS saw what they were doing was as a model that could be exported/providing a platform

BASEKAMP team: 19:00:28

dan calling you now... Sean is discussing how TPS locaions work

Christopher Kennedy: 19:00:38

Hey all - Cassie and I need to split...happy new year. Scott see you saturday!

Dan Schimmel: 19:00:54

thanks we can hear now

Jessica Westbrook: 19:01:31

awe

BASEKAMP team: 19:01:35

hey Chris & Cassie -- great to have you -- see you Saturday!

atrowbri: 19:01:38

child says n'naynay

Dan Schimmel: 19:01:39

night night says evie

theadamkatz: 19:02:25

the public school in new york has their first committee meeting on the 9th

theadamkatz: 19:02:34

anyone who shows up is on the committee

Jessica Westbrook: 19:02:39

: )

atrowbri: 19:03:00

All locations are autonomous

Jessica Westbrook: 19:03:23

hahahaha

theadamkatz: 19:03:33

sean, you may want to point out that you can't actually provide support the demand for schools

atrowbri: 19:03:38

Shared sensibility for all the TPS

theadamkatz: 19:04:27

what are the implications for the network as more schools emerge?

atrowbri: 19:04:37

Sean is hinting that the idea of a shared sensibility is an important thing to consider in regards to Plausible Artworlds

theadamkatz: 19:05:08

is there a critical tipping point where the network either folds or becomes more self sufficient?

atrowbri: 19:05:33

^^^^^ Scott could you bring this up to Sean?

BASEKAMP team: 19:05:40

yep

atrowbri: 19:05:42

re: critical tipping point

theadamkatz: 19:05:56

(like the individual schools - which have their own iverse support structures, institutions, funding, etc.)

BASEKAMP team: 19:06:04

just want to hear his thougths first

theadamkatz: 19:06:09

iverse=diverse

Dan Schimmel: 19:06:42

but i-verse sounds like a good Rastafari word!

Valentina Desideri: 19:07:20

still here

atrowbri: 19:08:17

Scott repeats "is there a critical tipping point where the network either folds or becomes more self sufficient?"

BASEKAMP team: 19:08:37

atrrowbri writes that scott  repeats that ...

atrowbri: 19:08:46

Sean doesnt even know...one of their goals was for TPS to be self sufficient

atrowbri: 19:09:04

context...not a blanket way of addressing the question

atrowbri: 19:09:19

TPS LA is not yet self sufficient

theadamkatz: 19:09:22

not the individual schools (necessarily), but the network...

atrowbri: 19:10:35

theadamkatz asks not self-sufficient in a financal sense, asking as network of PS grows, does network as a whole lose it's character, is that valuable or is it a necessary complaication?

atrowbri: 19:11:28

I would re-phrase and ask how close a TPS becomes a franchise or how much it is spawned entity free to become something else

alemcj" title="salemcj">salem collo-julin: 19:11:53

feedback! if you're not talking, please hit the mute button!

alemcj" title="salemcj">salem collo-julin: 19:11:58

thx!

eandockray" title="seandockray">Sean Dockray: 19:12:25

yeah

Jessica Westbrook: 19:12:40

perfectly clear/listening

BASEKAMP team: 19:13:25

hi Jen, want to join the audio chat?

roctorjen" title="proctorjen">Jen: 19:13:38

sure!

BASEKAMP team: 19:13:58

adding you to call Jen

BASEKAMP team: 19:14:07

adam is asking a question...

stephen wright: 19:14:13

Can I ask a question? Sean, do you see The Public School + AAAARG as a "plausible artworld" as we have conjectured, or as a knowledge production device not particularly linked to any artworld? Or as a welcome addition to an existant artworld? Or what?

atrowbri: 19:14:53

discussion between Scott Rigby and theadamkatz about how Philly TPS might shape up

Dan Schimmel: 19:15:27

I'll bet there would be huge interest in philly in TPS classes once people get it

atrowbri: 19:15:52

Scott says hardly anyone knows about Philly TPS

atrowbri: 19:16:04

theadamkatz asks how people will find out about it

atrowbri: 19:17:17

basically there's no promo for TPS philly so only self selcting peo

atrowbri: 19:17:23

ple know about it

Jessica Westbrook: 19:17:38

hi henken

atrowbri: 19:17:40

Asking Sean how people found out about Philly TPS

Jessica Westbrook: 19:17:41

and gregg

theadamkatz: 19:18:20

good question

atrowbri: 19:18:48

What is relationship between TPS and Plausible Artworlds (PAW henceforth, sorry Scott)

eandockray" title="seandockray">Sean Dockray: 19:19:03

hi stephen - i think i'd say that i see them as resources, which do connect to existing practices, often art ones, but not necessarily

atrowbri: 19:19:19

PAW is a project, an init, something that's been going on, think of it as an art project, that seeks to link up with other alternative artworlds

atrowbri: 19:19:33

divergent artworlds that we dont know about yet

atrowbri: 19:19:37

TPS is one example

eandockray" title="seandockray">Sean Dockray: 19:19:47

so i like the idea of plausible artworlds, while i wouldnt have used the term myself or thought of it, i do think of it in terms of building autonomous institutions or something like that

eandockray" title="seandockray">Sean Dockray: 19:20:06

but i think theyre sympathetic ideas, at least as far as i understand it

eandockray" title="seandockray">Sean Dockray: 19:20:55

i think "world" is a lot nicer in that it is so ambient , as opposed to institution, which sounds very structural

theadamkatz: 19:20:57

is it important/interesting to address TPS's inevitable association with other pedagogical projects which do function as art practices?

eandockray" title="seandockray">Sean Dockray: 19:21:43

but at the same time, im kind of simple minded and institution has a form that i can wrap my head around a little bit

eandockray" title="seandockray">Sean Dockray: 19:22:52

they're not just examples either, because you can copy classes!

caleb waldorf: 19:23:00

Past classes can be future classes!

caleb waldorf: 19:23:03

whoa!

eandockray" title="seandockray">Sean Dockray: 19:23:07

haha

caleb waldorf: 19:23:09

haha

atrowbri: 19:24:27

audio died from Sean

atrowbri: 19:24:31

anyone else?

caleb waldorf: 19:24:36

i hear him

BASEKAMP team: 19:24:42

no we can hear him ok

Jessica Westbrook: 19:24:43

i lost all audio

atrowbri: 19:24:48

recall Jessica Westbrook, scott, plz

BASEKAMP team: 19:24:53

okay

Dan Schimmel: 19:25:03

is the link between TPS and PAW that both are events/processes/networks of ongoing conversation/collaboration that seek some kind of intervention in "normal" institutions and hierarchies?

Jessica Westbrook: 19:25:11

thanks

BASEKAMP team: 19:25:48

bojana, do you want to join the audio convesation?

bojana romic: 19:26:03

yes

BASEKAMP team: 19:26:21

Aharon - want to join audio? looks like you're on

bojana romic: 19:26:29

but  now I'm having another conv.

BASEKAMP team: 19:26:35

oop

Aharon: 19:26:48

I think this might be a question of the on-looker making the "world" and/or the actual perceived environment being a "world".. It is a binary relationship that, I think, is a bit of a phantom

Dan Schimmel: 19:27:31

worlds-in-the-making

atrowbri: 19:29:31

Sean: AAAARG seems to have an incredible impact that might not come through in this chat because the system of uploading hared documents is so simple. It makes available texts that are not available to everyone because (1) educational status barriers (never heard about them) (2) economic (buy books) barriers (3) academic barriers (lack of access to JSTOR, etc). I've had multiple people thank me profusely for introducing them to aaaarg.org, much more so than they would if I tried to get them to consider teaching or attending a TPS class. Can you address the status of AAAARG as a autodidactic community (individuals) vs the seemingly much less used aaaarg forums/dicussions/issues. Is aaaarg vital as an individual autodidactic source for individuals and how does that contrast with The Public School as a community?

atrowbri: 19:29:43

hared/shared

atrowbri: 19:31:02

Question on how a class comes to be on TPS

arahkessler" title="sarahkessler">sarahkessler: 19:31:21

guys, i've gotta head off

arahkessler" title="sarahkessler">sarahkessler: 19:31:23

/out

Matthew Slaats: 19:31:24

Question - As the interest in developing pedagogical practice outside of the institution is becoming of greater interest (am thinking about Anton Vidokle's school for Manifesta, Ernesto Pujol's school, and the Bruce High Quality Foundation)  what is the objective of developing the alternative forms, in an art forum,

Matthew Slaats: 19:31:40

Or how does this fit into this dialogue?

BASEKAMP team: 19:31:41

L8R sarah

eandockray" title="seandockray">Sean Dockray: 19:31:52

loud and clear caleb

arahkessler" title="sarahkessler">sarahkessler: 19:32:10

wait i'm still here

arahkessler" title="sarahkessler">sarahkessler: 19:32:15

sean, did you just ask me a question

arahkessler" title="sarahkessler">sarahkessler: 19:32:16

?

BASEKAMP team: 19:32:22

eandockray" title="seandockray">Sean Dockray: 19:32:26

haha no i just said bye!

arahkessler" title="sarahkessler">sarahkessler: 19:32:32

eh, sorry

arahkessler" title="sarahkessler">sarahkessler: 19:32:59

it's crazy over here and i've gotta head out

Jessica Westbrook: 19:32:59

mathew slaats interesting question...

BASEKAMP team: 19:33:05

Stephen, you still there?

arahkessler" title="sarahkessler">sarahkessler: 19:33:09

i'm gonna leave the chat on so i have the transcription, tho

arahkessler" title="sarahkessler">sarahkessler: 19:33:13

bye guys!

BASEKAMP team: 19:33:20

kewl -- bi

atrowbri: 19:33:58

Course propsals can be very general or "well thought out"

eandockray" title="seandockray">Sean Dockray: 19:34:14

matthew - obviously the interest in education is much more pervasive than simply art (self-help, the internet, cooking shows, etc), but i think the art context does have a few things, like existing networks and people who participate in it, even though they are asking questions exactly like yours of themselves all the time...

atrowbri: 19:34:51

Sean taught an S&M course, did not know much about it originally

eandockray" title="seandockray">Sean Dockray: 19:35:00

caleb taught it!

atrowbri: 19:35:01

S&M theory and practice

atrowbri: 19:35:03

OH

atrowbri: 19:35:04

sorry

atrowbri: 19:35:19

Caleb is talking

atrowbri: 19:35:26

accents sound similar

eandockray" title="seandockray">Sean Dockray: 19:35:50

but its those networks of spaces, funds, people i think function as a means towards distributing ideas and concepts

Aharon: 19:36:02

Sean, when you use "in art context" - which context of art are you talking about?

eandockray" title="seandockray">Sean Dockray: 19:36:05

and people, projects, classes, etc

bojana romic: 19:37:14

I lost you, and it's busy when I call - could you call me again?

Matthew Slaats: 19:37:27

Thanks - I'm really curious why there is interest in creating alternative learning spaces?  Not just art ed, but generally.  What is missing? Has education become to business oriented?  Is this just about placing the power of education in the hands of anyone?

eandockray" title="seandockray">Sean Dockray: 19:37:28

aharon, when matthew asked "what is the objective of developing the alternative forms in an art forum"

BASEKAMP team: 19:37:29

bojana, we'll add you again

bojana romic: 19:37:35

thnx

BASEKAMP team: 19:38:04

caleb is answering the question about whether or not or how or why the courses cost money - are they free? who decides? etc

eandockray" title="seandockray">Sean Dockray: 19:38:55

the amount of stuff that falls under the umbrella of education is interesting: career training, gardening, learning to use a coffee machine, knitting star wars characters, doing nanotech research, etc

Jessica Westbrook: 19:38:55

who is taking classes? what need is this meeting? info or community? or...

Dan Schimmel: 19:39:10

universities basically exist to make money -- the are often more interesed in having faculty generate research funding than in teaching (said as someone who works in them)

eandockray" title="seandockray">Sean Dockray: 19:39:30

so its almost meaningless to use the word, except that intuitively we have this belief in transformation of one kind or another

eandockray" title="seandockray">Sean Dockray: 19:39:47

i cant argue with what dan said

Jessica Westbrook: 19:39:48

i work at a teaching university... but the priority is getting students jjobs more and more - so its training workers

Dan Schimmel: 19:41:39

and education theory now talks a lot about student-centered learning, and peer-to-peer learning, and various other learner-centered pedagogies which if you take them to their logical conclusion imply that learning should be outside of the insitution - let the public generate its own learning (this is actually mimi not dan)

theadamkatz: 19:43:52

okay guys, sorry but i have to go...

BASEKAMP team: 19:44:02

theadamkatz ---- thanks!

Matthew Slaats: 19:44:05

As a person who works in Higher Ed, I'm loath the idea that only certain people have the expertice to teach.  Or that learning has to work from the top down.  My best learning experiences have come from my own desire to learn.   Maybe that's why doing gen ed work in undergrad sucked.  It had no relation to my own experience.  I'm of the opinion that learning is about a group sharing an experience and an interest in a specific idea/subject.

theadamkatz: 19:44:06

(BTW - i once promoted a class on CR)

caleb waldorf: 19:44:34

byeee adam

Jessica Westbrook: 19:44:46

bye adam

BASEKAMP team: 19:45:22

tru dat slaats

BASEKAMP team: 19:46:39

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edupunk

Jessica Westbrook: 19:47:19

slaats... i really only learn from mistakes. im broken like that.

Matthew Slaats: 19:47:30

Jim Groom is my friend

BASEKAMP team: 19:47:34

messedupness

Jessica Westbrook: 19:47:38

i try to get students to make messes

Valentina Desideri: 19:47:40

isn't it also that in order to deal with a more and more complex reality (look at this chat/talk!) people need different dimentions of learning? from something as specific as knitting star wars chracters to natural hystory..

BASEKAMP team: 19:47:56

he's everyone's friend slaats (this is Greg

Valentina Desideri: 19:48:51

and 'conventional' education is organized in clear separation of fields

Matthew Slaats: 19:49:05

We're all broken in some way.  That is what makes us interesting.

alemcj" title="salemcj">salem collo-julin: 19:49:12

can the question be repeated? audio in and out

BASEKAMP team: 19:49:48

Stephen asked a similar question earlier -- i was just about to reiterate that

BASEKAMP team: 19:50:53

SEAN, pasting Stephen's question again here --- "Can I ask a question? Sean, do you see The Public School + AAAARG as a "plausible artworld" as we have conjectured, or as a knowledge production device not particularly linked to any artworld? Or as a welcome addition to an existant artworld? Or what?"

BASEKAMP team: 19:51:10

Salem, similar to above

Dan Schimmel: 19:51:55

ok, but then again, there is something to be said for  assembling a group of creative people in one place (physical or virtual) who are conversing with each other and with students, reading books, involved with artworlds, etc who can be a conduit for other people who may not have access to those things elsewhere in their lives -- thats what schools/colleges were supposed to do until they became so entrenched in specialities, disciplines, bureaucracies

BASEKAMP team: 19:52:27

but earlier question you asked about salem was more about the transition from "art"-related participants to what it sounds like now is more not-necessarily-artist participation

stephen wright: 19:52:49

Sorry, I lost my connection.

BASEKAMP team: 19:52:55

hey there Stephen

BASEKAMP team: 19:53:11

Sean posted the first 500 texts to AAAARG !!!

Matthew Slaats: 19:53:23

For me learning is about giving actions meaning. It's not just about providing a tool to use, but the appropriate way to use that tool or think about that tool.  I feel the biggest problem with the educational system (beyond it's financial greediness) is that it doesn't take a totally inter/cross disciplinary approach. Balancing skill and theory.

Aharon: 19:53:27

I find the generally speaking 2 strands of conversation here curiously interesting in some crude and wide historical context.. There used to be a time when "art" was perceived as any other craft and there wasn't much different support for the artist who painted than that for the painter who painted. The support structures that came about, via patronage, through to galleries, charitable faoundations, museums, etc. developed at times when support structures for education began to pop up... Same kind of support strucures we dis in both environments, art and education.

stephen wright: 19:53:45

can you call me?

BASEKAMP team: 19:53:56

oh -- sorry -- missed that. yes

stephen wright: 19:54:36

cut out again... sorry

BASEKAMP team: 19:54:44

stephen, calling you again

bojana romic: 19:55:16

can you call me again please?

BASEKAMP team: 19:55:22

bojana, do you want to be re-added to -------yep

Matthew Slaats: 19:55:38

There was a great interview I once read with Sam Gould of Red76 about how artist working in social practice are finding avenues for working with museums through educational departments.

stephen wright: 19:55:41

I am interested that the conversation has often moved to the issue of usership -- as opposed to both ownership and spectatorship. One unique feature that I see in AAAARg and the Public School that makes them different than mainstream artworld is a sense that spectatorship is replaced by usership.

cesare pietroiusti: 19:56:55

very good point stephen

Aharon: 19:57:38

in what way, stephen, would you say that a tate modern user is very different than an aaaarg user?

Dan Schimmel: 19:59:02

would anyone say that artists are given more freedom to experiment with usership than educators/teachers because of a kind of societal panic around protecting children and not letting any subversives get hold of their minds, whereas artists can be disruptive?

Elysa Lozano: 19:59:29

also the 'institutions' in this case are vehicles or tools rather than programs

Jessica Westbrook: 20:00:29

disruptive  

Dan Schimmel: 20:00:55

what if a plausible artworld were to interrupt the educational matrix, hack into it, and make it disruptive... can TPS do that?

BASEKAMP team: 20:01:02

Dan: http://plausibleartworlds.org/node/256

BASEKAMP team: 20:01:08

"Parents were looking for cheap daycare. We wanted to brainwash their children."

Aharon: 20:01:12

personally, I think that the main difference between say something like tate modern - am using that because of the "educational" out-reach programs - and aaaarg is actually what aaaarg could be and what tate can not..

Dan Schimmel: 20:01:52

ha! love that

eandockray" title="seandockray">Sean Dockray: 20:02:15

 dan... yes i wouldnt have thought it before, but i would say that

Jessica Westbrook: 20:02:25

nice

eandockray" title="seandockray">Sean Dockray: 20:02:29

the first question

eandockray" title="seandockray">Sean Dockray: 20:03:02

dan, i'd argue that AAAARG is doing that now

eandockray" title="seandockray">Sean Dockray: 20:03:15

and actually there is one thing i want to mention about that

eandockray" title="seandockray">Sean Dockray: 20:03:19

with the public school

Dan Schimmel: 20:03:38

yes, totally agree and admire aaarg for doing it

Jessica Westbrook: 20:05:08

we are using aaaarg and plausible artworlds in an institutionalized accredited course...

Matthew Slaats: 20:05:51

Has anyone heard about the Institute of Play? It's a school that is defined by games.  You should google it to check it's prespective.  The school just opened in NYC last fall.

Greg Scranton: 20:06:07

Photos from tonight @ Basekamp: http://www.flickr.com/photos/tactical20/sets/72157623023876761/

Greg Scranton: 20:06:47

before we were at max capacity that is...

Jessica Westbrook: 20:07:03

looks great

Dan Schimmel: 20:07:15

so UC is falling apart financially -- of course they are happy to have free public schools spring up to fill the gap!?

caleb waldorf: 20:07:38

but it wouldn't exactly be free

Dan Schimmel: 20:07:44

well, cheap

eandockray" title="seandockray">Sean Dockray: 20:07:46

of course they are, they are doing it whether we like it or not

caleb waldorf: 20:07:47

yeah

caleb waldorf: 20:07:50

totally

caleb waldorf: 20:07:52

much cheaper

eandockray" title="seandockray">Sean Dockray: 20:09:13

the question is what to do then, pretend it is not happening find ways to have UC fund its own critique

caleb waldorf: 20:09:58

which also moves away from "intervention" to something that is perhaps beside, or adjacent

caleb waldorf: 20:10:11

(which i prefer)

Dan Schimmel: 20:10:51

good point: beside, below, along, with...

eandockray" title="seandockray">Sean Dockray: 20:11:38

http://aaaarg.org/always-choose-the-worst-option-artistic-resistance-and...

eandockray" title="seandockray">Sean Dockray: 20:12:16

the BAVO critique of "engaged" art that actually fills in for the failures of capitalism

caleb waldorf: 20:12:44

artist as social worker?

eandockray" title="seandockray">Sean Dockray: 20:12:48

yeah

eandockray" title="seandockray">Sean Dockray: 20:13:09

unfortunately they propose ironic institutionalization as the answer

caleb waldorf: 20:13:16

great!

caleb waldorf: 20:13:22

(ugh)

caleb waldorf: 20:14:04

YES

Valentina Desideri: 20:14:09

yeah

Dan Schimmel: 20:14:12

thanks for great conversation!

caleb waldorf: 20:14:12

thanks everyone!

eandockray" title="seandockray">Sean Dockray: 20:14:16

i think more interesting would be to consider how a project/ practice is being used

Greg Scranton: 20:14:19

Thanks everyone!

eandockray" title="seandockray">Sean Dockray: 20:14:21

THANKS!!!!

Matthew Slaats: 20:14:21

Hey all - I'm going to have to check out.  Was great being here.  Hope to chat more and get to know everyone.

Jessica Westbrook: 20:14:21

thank you!

stephen wright: 20:14:26

Thanks Sean!

alemcj" title="salemcj">salem collo-julin: 20:14:33

thanks guys

jelena guga: 20:14:34

eandockray" title="seandockray">Sean Dockray: 20:14:36

ean.patrick.dockray@gmail.com">sean.patrick.dockray@gmail.com

bojana romic: 20:14:39

thanks

stephen wright: 20:14:46

Good night all!

eandockray" title="seandockray">Sean Dockray: 20:14:52

good night!

Valentina Desideri: 20:14:53

thanks everybody and good night!

Aharon: 20:15:01

nity nite every1

eandockray" title="seandockray">Sean Dockray: 20:15:06

goodnight valentina, nice to e-see you

caleb waldorf: 20:15:06

"i think more interesting would be to consider how a project/ practice is being used" or mobilized. but i also think it important to think about methodologies that resist certain kinds of co-option.

Aharon: 20:15:07

thanks!

BASEKAMP team: 20:15:14

we're gonna write proposals now...

eandockray" title="seandockray">Sean Dockray: 20:15:17

yeah totally

eandockray" title="seandockray">Sean Dockray: 20:15:23

thats the corollary!

BASEKAMP team: 20:15:31

thanks again Sean!

Valentina Desideri: 20:16:22

my pleasure sean, but if you keep the conversation this interesting it'll be hard to leave the chat!

eandockray" title="seandockray">Sean Dockray: 20:16:27

thanks scott... hope that was a helpful kickoff to plausible artworlds

cesare pietroiusti: 20:24:10

thanks scott and everyone. that's was very interesting. togther with other artists were thinking to do something similar in italy...