Chat History with basekamp/$ad563cc59b22afa4" title="#basekamp/$ad563cc59b22afa4">byproducts http://basekamp.com/about/events/byproducts (#basekamp/$ad563cc59b22afa4)

Created on 2010-05-26 09:13:04.

2010-05-25

BASEKAMP team: 17:54:38

hi marisa, stephen & nick!

stephen wright: 17:54:52

Hey Scott!

Marisa Jahn: 17:54:52

hi!

stephen wright: 17:54:55

Hi Marisa

Nick Hanford: 17:54:56

Hello

Marisa Jahn: 17:54:59

just getting some images emplaced

BASEKAMP team: 17:55:06

let's wait a few mins for people to come in before starting

Marisa Jahn: 17:55:09

should i send them to someone or what do i do with them?

BASEKAMP team: 17:55:10

ok great

BASEKAMP team: 17:55:22

well... could they be available online somewhere? like flickr?

Marisa Jahn: 17:56:55

hm. i can upload them to my server?

BASEKAMP team: 17:58:20

totally

Marisa Jahn: 17:58:33

i mean i know i can, q is, does this make sense for people to then click on them?

BASEKAMP team: 17:58:44

i only suggest online so people can be passed links

BASEKAMP team: 17:58:52

whatever's easiest for you honestly

Marisa Jahn: 17:59:02

ok

BASEKAMP team: 17:59:09

even if no images, it would be ok but they're always a bit of a help

BASEKAMP team: 18:00:57

who's up for a quick sound check call?

Nick Hanford: 18:01:16

i can take it

Marisa Jahn: 18:01:50

ok you call me then?

Nick Hanford: 18:03:01

i think they are testing basekamp's connection

BASEKAMP team: 18:09:37

so that was fun

Marisa Jahn: 18:09:45

yar

stephen wright: 18:09:57

having fun are you?

BASEKAMP team: 18:10:03

indeed!

BASEKAMP team: 18:10:05

sound checkin

BASEKAMP team: 18:10:09

maxin & relaxin

stephen wright: 18:10:11

rock on

BASEKAMP team: 18:10:18

chillin & illin

BASEKAMP team: 18:10:31

                                           

Marisa Jahn: 18:10:31

just uploading these images...

BASEKAMP team: 18:11:22

btw, reading this: http://basekamp.com/about/events/byproducts

BASEKAMP team: 18:12:38

& http://www.rev-it.org/projects/byproducts.htm

BASEKAMP team: 18:12:52

How are you all this evening? (afternon . latenight depending on your timezone )

stephen wright: 18:13:21

fit as a fiddle, given the hour

stephen wright: 18:13:43

Hi David

ost-autonomy" title="post-autonomy">post-autonomy: 18:13:57

hi how are you?

ost-autonomy" title="post-autonomy">post-autonomy: 18:14:14

sorry to have lost you the other day

BASEKAMP team: 18:14:29

lovely . drinking beer and looking at dessert on the table and hummus and chips

BASEKAMP team: 18:14:40

glad to have you as always David!

stephen wright: 18:14:40

We'll have a chance to catch up. I enjoyed our exchange though!

ost-autonomy" title="post-autonomy">post-autonomy: 18:14:50

funny to bump into you at the tate

stephen wright: 18:14:57

haha!

ost-autonomy" title="post-autonomy">post-autonomy: 18:15:05

I was exhibiting poster works

ost-autonomy" title="post-autonomy">post-autonomy: 18:15:11

yes it was

stephen wright: 18:15:33

I should go incognito to places like that!

BASEKAMP team: 18:16:08

so guys, who wants to get started with having an audio chat?

stephen wright: 18:16:25

that's what we're here / hear for

stephen wright: 18:16:34

whenever Marisa's ready

Marisa Jahn: 18:16:42

ok just testing the html page - 1 sec

BASEKAMP team: 18:16:56

the weather is so.. sometihing - beautiful - or - that most people are out walking. or sleeping -- but a few of us are here & happy to chat

BASEKAMP team: 18:17:07

sweeet

BASEKAMP team: 18:17:26

jsut let us know when you're done marisa & we'll call everyone

Marisa Jahn: 18:17:37

ok i'm ready

Marisa Jahn: 18:17:39

url is here:

Marisa Jahn: 18:17:40

http://www.marisajahn.com/basekamp.html

BASEKAMP team: 18:17:41

   

BASEKAMP team: 18:17:47

awesum

stephen wright: 18:18:42

lost me

BASEKAMP team: 18:19:50

d'oh

Nick Hanford: 18:20:35

yep

stephen wright: 18:21:08

lost me again...

BASEKAMP team: 18:22:26

oh noes

BASEKAMP team: 18:23:35

http://www.marisajahn.com/basekamp.html

BASEKAMP team: 18:24:25

Joseph was on earlier & says HI btw

BASEKAMP team: 18:24:47

he'll try to pop in sometime near the end  

stephen wright: 18:27:52

lost me

stephen wright: 18:27:57

bad connection tonight

stephen wright: 18:28:11

please call me back

BASEKAMP team: 18:29:50

dang sry stephen - trying u again

BASEKAMP team: 18:30:34

will keep trying

stephen wright: 18:30:40

please

stephen wright: 18:30:46

maybe we can do some text

stephen wright: 18:30:59

It's really interesting, but technology is not happening

BASEKAMP team: 18:31:13

o

BASEKAMP team: 18:31:15

ok

BASEKAMP team: 18:31:42

marisa is talking about Artist Placement Group, ... image #1 on taht link above

ost-autonomy" title="post-autonomy">post-autonomy: 18:31:55

can you explain why the big interest in the group

BASEKAMP team: 18:31:59

this one is by Jonathan Latham, called Big Breather

stephen wright: 18:32:11

can you call me again

ost-autonomy" title="post-autonomy">post-autonomy: 18:32:43

both groups were very famous in the 70's

stephen wright: 18:33:14

thanks

BASEKAMP team: 18:33:15

in the UK yes

BASEKAMP team: 18:33:38

neither were so famous in the US...

ost-autonomy" title="post-autonomy">post-autonomy: 18:33:44

sure

ost-autonomy" title="post-autonomy">post-autonomy: 18:34:04

we produced material for the same magazine

ost-autonomy" title="post-autonomy">post-autonomy: 18:34:15

AND

BASEKAMP team: 18:35:59

Stephen it might be good to calrify P@W's interest in Organizational Art in this context... at some point...

BASEKAMP team: 18:36:19

tho wouldn't want to derail Marisa's chat

stephen wright: 18:37:09

dropped again...

BASEKAMP team: 18:40:58

eating http://deallocker.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/stacys_pita_chips_... btw

stephen wright: 18:42:20

scott... sorry, lost again

BASEKAMP team: 18:42:56

d'oh!

BASEKAMP team: 18:43:10

we lost stephen

BASEKAMP team: 18:43:45

re-adding u stephen

BASEKAMP team: 18:43:50

talking about Au Travail

BASEKAMP team: 18:44:12

next image down... two girls hugging in a vat of oil at Kentucky Fried Chicken fast food cahin

stephen wright: 18:47:16

When the connection is cooperating, I have no problem following you Marisa. And yet what is interesting is that you use some off-beat terms, not idiosyncratically, but pointedly, kind of hijacking them or retracking them. I'd like to ask you about a couple of them, and more generally to ask you about what you think about that whole vocabulary question. You called yourself something of an "interloper"... What's that? You explained "byproducts" right off the bat, but it is clearly a case of repossession of a word. As is "embedded". See my point? All this beyond the examples per se.

ost-autonomy" title="post-autonomy">post-autonomy: 18:47:29

yes

stephen wright: 18:51:29

d'oh!

stephen wright: 18:51:38

I like that project too!

stephen wright: 18:52:37

It seems as if all the bandwidth in my hotel is being consumed by my neighbours downloading huge amounts of porn.

BASEKAMP team: 18:52:38

calling you bakkkk

stephen wright: 18:52:41

Please call me again

BASEKAMP team: 18:53:04

tell them to get a room

Nick Hanford: 18:53:25

i think the problem may be that they have a room

stephen wright: 18:53:47

They should all be given a common room

BASEKAMP team: 18:54:16

 

BASEKAMP team: 18:55:48

and... http://www.mykitchenaddiction.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/2009-02-03-...

BASEKAMP team: 18:58:01

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janez_Jan%C5%A1a

BASEKAMP team: 18:58:13

and...

BASEKAMP team: 18:58:14

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janez_Jan%C5%A1a_(performance_artist)

BASEKAMP team: 18:59:04

stephen wright: 19:02:15

Guerrilla Electoral Theater

BASEKAMP team: 19:03:14

http://books.google.com/books?id=X2RlSHAYUd4C&dq=guerrilla+electoral+the...

BASEKAMP team: 19:04:02

Reverend Billy & the Church of life after Shopping

http://www.revbilly.com/

BASEKAMP team: 19:05:51

http://www.misscanadiana.ca/

stephen wright: 19:07:49

This is all the funnier as the Governor General of Canada (our Head of State) is herself Haitian born. So there is an automatic confusion between Miss Canadiana and the Queen's Representative. So there is a real Yes Men twist in terms of race relations

BASEKAMP team: 19:08:52

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stephen wright: 19:14:12

You chose to do it as a book -- not as an exhibition

stephen wright: 19:16:05

it's the rythms and patterns of the context that produce the work

BASEKAMP team: 19:16:31

the work focused on  is critical, but not involved in "institutional critique" exactly

stephen wright: 19:16:53

I really like the Lucas project -- it's one of the strongest in the book in my opinion -- but it could easily be part of any good mainstream exhibition -- it has the appeal for sure

ost-autonomy" title="post-autonomy">post-autonomy: 19:17:01

what about art works that take place inside and outside art institutions but do not produce material evidence, such as Ian Wilsons?

stephen wright: 19:17:37

he does produce material evidence though

ost-autonomy" title="post-autonomy">post-autonomy: 19:17:44

they take the form of discussions

stephen wright: 19:18:02

I mean, people bear witness, there are recordings...

ost-autonomy" title="post-autonomy">post-autonomy: 19:18:10

sure

stephen wright: 19:18:16

great work to be sure

BASEKAMP team: 19:18:23

we're looknig for evidence of ian wilson's work

ost-autonomy" title="post-autonomy">post-autonomy: 19:18:25

but their experiential

BASEKAMP team: 19:18:38

think we found some http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qz2l6Xg40JY

stephen wright: 19:18:44

yes it's a good example

stephen wright: 19:19:05

He's this south african artist who just does talks in museums

BASEKAMP team: 19:19:05

it's not a rick roll don't worry -

BASEKAMP team: 19:19:08

but close

ost-autonomy" title="post-autonomy">post-autonomy: 19:25:12

I find the issue of the everyday and the real , and the differentiation between something that appears real or subverts the real very interesting but difficult to get my head around, so the terms and language you use to read practices looking at these issues fascinating.

stephen wright: 19:27:42

This Eye-Witness project is interesting and important, but have you considered in what ways its conditions of possibility lie in art-related activity? I mean it sounds like the "up against the wall motherfuckers" take on radical conceptual art

stephen wright: 19:31:04

This fact may not interest anyone but me, but now that the skype connection is working perfectly (it's 1:30 am) seems to suggest that my hypothesis about the porn downloaders was accurate -- and now they've all nodded off!

stephen wright: 19:39:19

for sure!

stephen wright: 19:39:32

accountability and working with communities

stephen wright: 19:39:50

you might call that "collective autonomy" -- something art is not too good at

stephen wright: 19:41:53

artists need help in dealing with empirical data, with worldly knowledge!

stephen wright: 19:42:44

They were WAY aggressive!

stephen wright: 19:42:57

oops, lost my connection (those motherfuckers are back)

BASEKAMP team: 19:43:17

adding u bak

stephen wright: 19:43:27

thanks

BASEKAMP team: 19:45:45

ing u

stephen wright: 19:45:46

on!

BASEKAMP team: 19:50:41

kung fu!                                                                                                                                                                                                  

BASEKAMP team: 19:51:41

LINK

BASEKAMP team: 19:51:42

http://www.mucketymuck.org/b_1_exhibitions/kits4encounter/archive_book.htm

Marisa Jahn: 19:51:51

this link is better:

Marisa Jahn: 19:51:51

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=1&ved=0CBcQFjAA&url=...

Marisa Jahn: 19:51:55

oops not that one

Marisa Jahn: 19:52:01

http://www.rev-it.org/projects/recipes.htm

Marisa Jahn: 19:52:02

this one

BASEKAMP team: 19:53:09

you mean the 80s?

BASEKAMP team: 19:53:25

happened...

BASEKAMP team: 19:56:07

i was definitely kidding above -- there was a ton of activist art in the 80s.. but it was different

ost-autonomy" title="post-autonomy">post-autonomy: 19:58:12

Latham disappeared or became invisible in the 80's along with Metzger

ost-autonomy" title="post-autonomy">post-autonomy: 19:58:47

coincided with the failure of the official avant garde

stephen wright: 19:58:50

Sorry what was his name?

stephen wright: 19:59:25

the art historian?

BASEKAMP team: 19:59:52

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portapak

stephen wright: 20:00:20

Bonin, Vincent

stephen wright: 20:00:41

Documentary Protocols

BASEKAMP team: 20:01:17

link to exhibition

http://ellengallery.concordia.ca/en/reflexion_protocol1.php

BASEKAMP team: 20:02:11

right

ost-autonomy" title="post-autonomy">post-autonomy: 20:02:21

yep I need to sleep

BASEKAMP team: 20:02:43

everyone from europe - and elsewhere - thanks for staying up sleepless with us!

ost-autonomy" title="post-autonomy">post-autonomy: 20:02:49

yes thank you very much

ost-autonomy" title="post-autonomy">post-autonomy: 20:03:07

bye

BASEKAMP team: 20:03:11

bi!

stephen wright: 20:03:19

until next time!

Marisa Jahn: 20:03:24

thank you scottage and basekampers!